Are you thinking about names yet? If it's a boy, I want him to be named "Slyme Pete". Can you make that happen?fascination wrote:I have been feeling a little better. Thank you for asking hon! I'll be into my second trimester in a couple of weeks so it should go away soon.Skep tickle wrote:BTW, how have you been feeling, fascination? Morning sickness abating at all?
Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
He was referring to when a girl pegs a guy ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegging_%2 ... ractice%29 )welch wrote:If a guy pegs a girl, isn't that just plain old fucking?Lsuoma wrote:[spoiler]Ever thought of pegging him?[/spoiler]VickyCaramel wrote:Oh yes, I am capering with glee at taking down another woman... that's why I became an atheist in the first place don't cha know.PeeZee wrote:Why fight for a movement rife with people who despise your kind, and who are probably now capering with glee at having silenced one more woman?
PeeZee sure has me pegged!
now *I'M* confused.
-
- .
- Posts: 425
- Joined: Tue Dec 18, 2012 6:17 pm
- Location: California
- Contact:
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
Louis wrote:No worries, sport.Tfoot wrote:Hi Louis,
Please do be a sport and tell me why Im a
-'in Tfoot's case a shark jumping obsessive sexist loonbag"
I'm pretty sure the facts are against you on this one, but I'm all ears as to why I'm a 'shark jumping obsessive sexist loonbag'.
Your arguments on FtB against their very simple brand of feminism were sexist. I can go back and dig through tonne of drivel if I want to, but why bother? Shark jumping: Dude, you used to be so cool! Okay, okay, forgive me I couldn't resist that one. I was, and still am, a big fan of your science videos. You do stellar work, no fooling, I really think that.
The hard on you have for FtB, not so much. So shark jumping and obsessive. Sexist, well I haven't demonstrated it, but I'm sure it will come up somewhere, be patient. Loonbag: the straw men, the focus on the most twisted interpretations of reasonable things, the videos edited out of context to make an almost Michael Moorian (someone I also quite like, although phew do you have to take his work with a bucket of salt sometimes) video about PZ and people. Dude, it's time to get over it.
I'll make one confession, I do feel bad for not having a detailed point by point case prepared for you, genuinely, but since I find it hard to do anything other than laugh at you at the moment, I can't really bring myself to worry about it. Make of that what you will. I'm sure you'll do so whether or not I have a point by point case prepared for you.
You know, I tried assuming you were an honest sort.
For the record, I had never watched a single whole Thunderfoot video until he joined FTB. I was vaguely familiar with his name. I think I may have watched a couple of minutes of one of his videos on evolution a couple of years ago. I had, however, been reading most of the FTB blogs since they got together, and most of them longer, separately.
However, I did watch his videos after he joined, and watched the responses from other FTB blogs and Watson and some others.
If you couldn't see the blatant media manipulation going on there, you either only ever listen to one side of things and make thoughtless judgments, or you have some other extreme bias, or you're a shit-eating moron who can't bear being wrong.
Or you could just back up your own bullshit, something I've haven't seen at FTB for a long time, which is why I only read there for lulz anymore.
-
- .
- Posts: 2244
- Joined: Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:48 am
- Location: Kent, WA
- Contact:
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
Well, I sucked it up and just did my tasteless joke vid:
[youtube]pjnKL0fEUrI[/youtube]
Though, everyone else here is giving better ones :D
[youtube]pjnKL0fEUrI[/youtube]
Though, everyone else here is giving better ones :D
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
Charles Stross fan here. Anyone curious can read a novella from the Laundry series here: http://www.goldengryphon.com/Stross-Concrete.htmlLsuoma wrote:Moon Nazis? Anyone else here a fan of the Laundry stories of Charles Stross (yes, I know it's not the moon, but non-terrestrial Nazis should all be lumped together until there's a reason not to.SenorBeagle wrote:[spoiler]Good fillum. A film with moon Nazis can never be bad. Also, Udo Kier.Lsuoma wrote:Oh, and whoever it was, thanks for the recco for Iron Sky. I've fired up my seedbox and I'm torrenting it now.
Also, also, Julia Dietze. Scherwing.[/spoiler]
-
- .
- Posts: 379
- Joined: Fri Aug 31, 2012 12:53 am
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
Via FTB'er Mano Singham:
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colber ... n-lawsuits
(still no cure for peezus)
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colber ... n-lawsuits
(still no cure for peezus)
-
- .
- Posts: 1252
- Joined: Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:56 am
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
@rocko2466: I just sent you some more. But do the screencap a few posts up first, that shit is hilarious.
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
Wikipedia comes through in the clutch. And you've gotta love the tasteful diagram with the "four-strap harness."LMU wrote:He was referring to when a girl pegs a guy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegging_%2 ... ractice%29)
-
- .
- Posts: 4740
- Joined: Mon Dec 31, 2012 6:39 pm
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
I nominate this word: Atheism+TheMan wrote:VickyCaramel wrote:As Stephen Fry once said to Lorraine Kelly while trying to convince her to use swear words, "Go on... have a stab at a cunt". Use it and it will have it's meaning changed, it will lose it's power to shock.another lurker wrote:The word 'cunt' used to scare me. Quite a bit in fact. The sheer power of it, the contempt. I first heard of the word when I was 15, and it filled me with dread. That was one insult I could never use.
Years later, I wound up on IRC and was sharing a chat channel with a feminist Croatian girl. This girl would not take shit from anyone. She also used 'cunt' all the time. Sometimes she would just type 'cunt', for no apparent reason. She robbed the word of its power. And I thank her for that. "Cunt" was no longer a word that could shut me up, and make me feel 'bad'.
And now, many years later, I visit FTB and suddenly 'cunt' has all the power it once had when I was 15. Power that the word does not deserve. Rather than forcing people to alter their language - especially if they still, inwardly, hold misogynist beliefs - doesn't it make more sense for women to take back the word, and rob if of any dreadful, 'sexist' meaning?
I guess what I am trying to say is, if people are using 'so-called' woman-hating words around me, or just plain vulgarity, would it not be wise to say 'hey, you cannot offend me, you do not have that power over me' than to attempt to get them to *insincerely* 'clean up' their language when around me?
Just my two cents, that's all!
Yes..and once that happens we'll need to find another word that has shock value as a replacement.
-
- .
- Posts: 3744
- Joined: Wed Jul 04, 2012 1:18 pm
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
Another example of the bubble that the Baboons inhabit.
http://i.imgur.com/EKc1y2a.jpg
Now, you will notice that there is a sort of veiled threat in there. Perhaps there is an "Adam Lanza" type loner amongst the Baboons who will snap and retaliate because we, the Slyme Pit, have the audacity to call their bullshit bullshit.
But you'll also notice the delusion that Ophelia is gaining lots and lots of supporters. Really? Ophelia has done her best to alienate people with her stupid behaviour and callous witch-hunts over the past year. There are no stats suggesting Ophelia's support is growing, but there is plenty of evidence of people flouncing over at FfTB, and joining their comrade-in-arms at the Slyme Pit. As someone pointed out the other day, NOBODY goes the other way. Not even Justicar, who despite getting a small infection of Baboonitis, spends most of his time sticking the boot into them.
They are seriously deluded. Perhaps it will take another hostile reception at TAM to show them how the wider community really views Ophelia and her ilk.
http://i.imgur.com/EKc1y2a.jpg
Now, you will notice that there is a sort of veiled threat in there. Perhaps there is an "Adam Lanza" type loner amongst the Baboons who will snap and retaliate because we, the Slyme Pit, have the audacity to call their bullshit bullshit.
But you'll also notice the delusion that Ophelia is gaining lots and lots of supporters. Really? Ophelia has done her best to alienate people with her stupid behaviour and callous witch-hunts over the past year. There are no stats suggesting Ophelia's support is growing, but there is plenty of evidence of people flouncing over at FfTB, and joining their comrade-in-arms at the Slyme Pit. As someone pointed out the other day, NOBODY goes the other way. Not even Justicar, who despite getting a small infection of Baboonitis, spends most of his time sticking the boot into them.
They are seriously deluded. Perhaps it will take another hostile reception at TAM to show them how the wider community really views Ophelia and her ilk.
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
... Really?deanesmay wrote:OK, so, short summary is, anyone who is skeptical or critical of their position is an ORC, ala Lord of the Ring orcs--not, you know, human or anything.
No one has mentioned the new guys BEAUTIFUL ANGELIC HAIR OH MY GOD SO PRETTY YOU LOOK LIKE DAVID GILMOUR WHY DO SO MANY GUYS HERE HAVE LONG PRETTY HAIR?
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
That sounds very close to the definition of stochastic terrorism, which apparently is something that the pit does. Or the anti-A+. Or Justin.CommanderTuvok wrote:Another example of the bubble that the Baboons inhabit.
[spoiler]http://i.imgur.com/EKc1y2a.jpg[/spoiler]
Now, you will notice that there is a sort of veiled threat in there. Perhaps there is an "Adam Lanza" type loner amongst the Baboons who will snap and retaliate because we, the Slyme Pit, have the audacity to call their bullshit bullshit.
I'm not really sure who "these people" refers to.
It's another case of it's bad when they do it, but good if one of us does it.
5
Ophelia Benson
January 19, 2013 at 6:10 pm (UTC -8)
Josh sent me this link, which is very relevant. It’s what these people do – stochastic terrorism.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/01/1 ... e-shooters
-
- .
- Posts: 5357
- Joined: Fri Oct 05, 2012 12:04 am
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
At least one person commented earlier on the comments RW made at the end of her post and the question(s) jpeoples asked. But here's another thing - it's an example of them disagreeing. PZ backs off from his endorsement of these organizations, but can he really afford to follow RW down the path of "the organizations are all rotten, it's only a few individuals we/I can count on"? Saying that seems like it'd only accelerate the decline in speaking engagements. And RW seems to be putting the bar pretty high - she doesn't want to associate with an organization that keeps those she feels aren't pure enough on staff, or are named after someone she hates (thus, no matter what approach Dawkins' Foundation might take, it'll apparently never be enough for her). Bolding below is all added by me.
I've quoted PZ's post (not 'capped It) here, with what appears to be an addendum. I did not include all the italics & links:
From the linked article on Skepchick from Jan 20th:PZ wrote:I am constantly dunned by email and tweets from the haters and sick scumbags, and I read stuff by my colleagues who get far worse, and at times it is just too depressing and dismal — there really are reactionary fanatics within atheism who refuse to recognize the responsibility to work towards equality. And I just want to give up.
But then…perspective. Step away from the smears and assaults and slime and look at the movement as a whole: look at the leading organizations of the godless. You know what you’ll see? None of them support these loons. They’re all progressive and committed to improving the diversity of the atheist community and broadening our engagement with the greater culture.
Really. Look at American Atheists, the American Humanist Association, the Center for Inquiry, Atheist Alliance International and Atheist Alliance America, the Secular Coalition, the Secular Student Alliance, and the Richard Dawkins Foundation. They are not supporting these petty, resentful snipers; they are working towards a future in which those goons are irrelevant.
That’s reassuring. There are loud, obsessive, creepy people who should not be ignored, but it’s always a good idea to step back and look at the bigger picture, and see that their skirmishing is born of desperation — they’re the past, they’re the failures, they’re the ones who have no productive role to play.
_______________________________________________________
Rebecca Watson has a different perspective. She’s less sanguine about organizations (and particularly the RDF), and I’m not going to argue with someone who has been the target of so much hatred, some of it inspired by Richard Dawkins’ remarks. I will agree entirely that any virtue in these organizations rest on the efforts of individuals who have struggled hard to bring inherently conservative institutions towards a more just perspective, and we cannot rest — we all have to keep fighting that fight.
Rebecca Watson wrote:...Unfortunately, his links only go to the main websites of those organizations and not to any evidence that those groups are doing anything that would make irrelevant those who harass many of us every day. ...
...For the most part, these organizations work on their causes while pointedly avoiding what they see as a divisive quagmire. Is that a bad thing? Not necessarily, no. For years, I defended the JREF’s pointed disinterest in atheist topics because while I do think atheism is the natural outcome of skepticism and that the two are ultimately inextricably linked, I understand that there’s a benefit to an organization focusing resources on a particular goal while also appealing to a larger audience. But it would be silly to then congratulate the JREF on working toward some atheist or secular goal, just as it’s silly to congratulate these organizations that are not focused on fighting for women.
And then there’s the Richard Dawkins Foundation. Over on PZ’s post, I commented:PZ replied:I guess if you’ve never been called a “feminazi†by Paula Kirby or had your inbox explode with rape threats thanks to Richard Dawkins, RDF wouldn’t look out of place on that list.I could not disagree more, obviously. When discussing whether or not an organization supports “petty, resentful snipers,†it’s worth asking whether it keeps any on staff or whether the organization is named after one. Richard Dawkins’ comments have been the very definition of petty and resentful, including those he has continued posting on Twitter. Whether he’s retweeting victim blaming trash or coming up with his very own passive aggressive ways to denigrate a free vaccine program because Skepchick runs it, he has not only failed to stop the torrent of abuse aimed at me and other women in this movement but he has actively participated in it himself. And Paula Kirby of RDFUK has spent months defending her point that those of us asking for atheist conferences to be safer spaces for women are literally like Nazis and the Stasi.I know that Dawkins’ comments have led to some very ugly results, and that Kirby just completely lost the plot, but considering that the RDF confines itself mostly to science education, I don’t think that organization as a whole is the ‘enemy’.
Regardless of what RDF does for science (and I’m not sure what that is, exactly, though I do know that they donate substantial amounts of money to other organizations that actually do things), they are not to be counted among organizations that discourage harassment of women.
So while PZ finds optimism in the work these organizations do, I, for the most part, do not. I see anti-feminists who think those organizations stand for them. (Hell, I’ve seen misogynists cite feminist and Freedom from Religion Foundation co-founder Annie Laurie Gaylor as an inspiration.) I don’t think these people are stupid (though yes, many are – just look at the people populating my Twitter @ replies) – I think that secular organizations aren’t being loud enough in their support of women. I think often these organizations are being dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st Century by a few progressive employees who want to do good at the risk of being seen as radical troublemakers.
And that’s where I find my inspiration: not in the large organizations but in the individuals who are strong enough to stand up for what’s right despite the endless hateful shit thrown their way. People like Ophelia Benson, Stephanie Zvan, Greta Christina, and Melody Hensley. People like Surly Amy and all the other Skepchick Network contributors. People like Amanda Marcotte...
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
Down On The Farm and Overtime are also available online for free.LMU wrote:Charles Stross fan here. Anyone curious can read a novella from the Laundry series here: http://www.goldengryphon.com/Stross-Concrete.htmlLsuoma wrote:Moon Nazis? Anyone else here a fan of the Laundry stories of Charles Stross (yes, I know it's not the moon, but non-terrestrial Nazis should all be lumped together until there's a reason not to.SenorBeagle wrote:[spoiler]Good fillum. A film with moon Nazis can never be bad. Also, Udo Kier.Lsuoma wrote:Oh, and whoever it was, thanks for the recco for Iron Sky. I've fired up my seedbox and I'm torrenting it now.
Also, also, Julia Dietze. Scherwing.[/spoiler]
-
- .
- Posts: 6555
- Joined: Sat Sep 01, 2012 8:51 pm
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
Shit, yea. I've never heard that one. In fact, I think the worst one I've heard about that incident was your basic "What was the last thing that went through Diana's mind before she died...?".Lsuoma wrote: Back in 1997 the Paris police called a garage that specialized in British Leyland cars: they wanted to know how to get an engine out of a 1961 Princess.
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
Plain Chocolate Digestives. Or nothing.jimthepleb wrote:NOT A BISCUIT :naughty:Turglemeister wrote:I would like to add Jaffa Cakes :Djimthepleb wrote:McVities Rich TeaTkmlac wrote: One thing I haven't perfected in my new venture into tea is biscuits. How do I pick a good biscuit? I'm a US American, is there any hope for me?
That is all
(well at a push u could go Digestive or Hobnob (oooer missus) but they don't really count)
-
- .
- Posts: 4740
- Joined: Mon Dec 31, 2012 6:39 pm
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
Well, I was being a tad hyperbolic with the FTB example. But the truth is, I really really wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt. They are 'smarter' and 'more learned' than me, after all. Right? So I stopped using 'bitch' and 'cunt' - mostly.welch wrote:another lurker wrote:The word 'cunt' used to scare me. Quite a bit in fact. The sheer power of it, the contempt. I first heard of the word when I was 15, and it filled me with dread. That was one insult I could never use.
Years later, I wound up on IRC and was sharing a chat channel with a feminist Croatian girl. This girl would not take shit from anyone. She also used 'cunt' all the time. Sometimes she would just type 'cunt', for no apparent reason. She robbed the word of its power. And I thank her for that. "Cunt" was no longer a word that could shut me up, and make me feel 'bad'.
And now, many years later, I visit FTB and suddenly 'cunt' has all the power it once had when I was 15. Power that the word does not deserve. Rather than forcing people to alter their language - especially if they still, inwardly, hold misogynist beliefs - doesn't it make more sense for women to take back the word, and rob if of any dreadful, 'sexist' meaning?
I guess what I am trying to say is, if people are using 'so-called' woman-hating words around me, or just plain vulgarity, would it not be wise to say 'hey, you cannot offend me, you do not have that power over me' than to attempt to get them to *insincerely* 'clean up' their language when around me?
Just my two cents, that's all!
If someone can completely alter your mental and emotional state by the mere utterance of a word, they own you.
Maybe, and this is crazy, but maybe one should be more discriminating in who one gives such control to.
Most of all though, the BIGGEST effect it had on me was that I policed my behaviour on FTB forums and then said whatever the fuck else I wanted to elsewhere. Which just proves the point that if you are going to police language, you will not actually effect any *real* change - you will just force people to put on an insincere act to please you (which is a point that has been made here before, many times, alerady.)
The thing is, I have spent years talking like a sailor. And I was willing to listen to FTB, and give their ideas a chance. I wanted to learn from them, to re-examine all of my preconceived notions about feminism. They had a willing ally, and they tone-policed me outta there! So now I am here, re-examining everything all over again:P
-
- .
- Posts: 425
- Joined: Tue Dec 18, 2012 6:17 pm
- Location: California
- Contact:
Re: W.C.O.A
Hey, I don't wanna sound like a queer or anything, but that's pretty sweet cock you got there!
-
- .
- Posts: 4024
- Joined: Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:44 pm
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
Don't you mean, just [your] two cunts? :rimshot:another lurker wrote:The word 'cunt' used to scare me. Quite a bit in fact. The sheer power of it, the contempt. I first heard of the word when I was 15, and it filled me with dread. That was one insult I could never use.
Years later, I wound up on IRC and was sharing a chat channel with a feminist Croatian girl. This girl would not take shit from anyone. She also used 'cunt' all the time. Sometimes she would just type 'cunt', for no apparent reason. She robbed the word of its power. And I thank her for that. "Cunt" was no longer a word that could shut me up, and make me feel 'bad'.
And now, many years later, I visit FTB and suddenly 'cunt' has all the power it once had when I was 15. Power that the word does not deserve. Rather than forcing people to alter their language - especially if they still, inwardly, hold misogynist beliefs - doesn't it make more sense for women to take back the word, and rob if of any dreadful, 'sexist' meaning?
I guess what I am trying to say is, if people are using 'so-called' woman-hating words around me, or just plain vulgarity, would it not be wise to say 'hey, you cannot offend me, you do not have that power over me' than to attempt to get them to *insincerely* 'clean up' their language when around me?
Just my two cents, that's all!
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
I see that one as a rehashing of "What's the last thing to go through a fly's mind when it hits your windscreen? Its arsehole."ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:Shit, yea. I've never heard that one. In fact, I think the worst one I've heard about that incident was your basic "What was the last thing that went through Diana's mind before she died...?".Lsuoma wrote: Back in 1997 the Paris police called a garage that specialized in British Leyland cars: they wanted to know how to get an engine out of a 1961 Princess.
I also heard another Diana one, likely derived from the old chestnut that Justi told:
Q. How do you get a princess pregnant?
A. Wank off on the engine block, and let the driver do the rest.
-
- .
- Posts: 2480
- Joined: Sat Jul 14, 2012 2:04 am
- Location: Adelaide, South Australia
- Contact:
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
Trotsky assortment!Turglemeister wrote:...the Peak Freans Sotski assortment."
To the re-education camp, komrade.
water water everywhere and not a drop to drink
Yep - if PZ lets Rebecca and co. poison every well in town ... freethought's gonna become thirsty work.Skep tickle wrote:And RW seems to be putting the bar pretty high - she doesn't want to associate with an organization that keeps those she feels aren't pure enough on staff, or are named after someone she hates (thus, no matter what approach Dawkins' Foundation might take, it'll apparently never be enough for her).
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
I notice that that StevenCarr fellow is amusingly now in the 'Dungeon'. He's a fairly frequent atheist commenter - I remember a few years ago he was my only atheist ally on a (now-defunct) UK Christian forum.
-
- .
- Posts: 379
- Joined: Fri Aug 31, 2012 12:53 am
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
http://www.attendly.com/how-one-woman-d ... onference/
Woman expends a great deal of time and effort -- begs, cajoles, wheedles, other women, one on one to speak at tech conference. After all of this effort, manages to get 50/50 split.
Or Benson-forfend, maybe a bit of both?
Woman expends a great deal of time and effort -- begs, cajoles, wheedles, other women, one on one to speak at tech conference. After all of this effort, manages to get 50/50 split.
“The easiest way I saw for getting more women on stage at the actual event was to get as many women to submit speaking proposals as possible.â€
It turns out that this is actually really difficult. Women are notably less likely to sing their own praises (http://www.shirky.com/weblog/2010/01/a- ... out-women/) , or to see themselves as worthy applicants for speaking positions at conferences (http://radar.oreilly.com/2011/03/would- ... feren.html). Of course, this backs up the reasoning that not enough women apply–but it doesn’t excuse the resulting gender-biased speaker line-ups.
So is it entrenched sexism? Or maybe speaking at conferences is a guy thing?Courtney begged, pleaded and cajoled women she knew and respected to submit applications. She went out of her way to track them down and speak with them individually about their topics of expertise and why they would be appropriate for her conference. Even with all of this effort, she still received more applications from men than from women, though only marginally (8 women and 10 men applied).
Or Benson-forfend, maybe a bit of both?
-
- .
- Posts: 4024
- Joined: Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:44 pm
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
No, no. PZ is the sub. Duh! :roll:welch wrote:If a guy pegs a girl, isn't that just plain old fucking?Lsuoma wrote:Ever thought of pegging him?VickyCaramel wrote:Oh yes, I am capering with glee at taking down another woman... that's why I became an atheist in the first place don't cha know.PeeZee wrote:Why fight for a movement rife with people who despise your kind, and who are probably now capering with glee at having silenced one more woman?
PeeZee sure has me pegged!
now *I'M* confused.
He's always the sub.
-
- .
- Posts: 4740
- Joined: Mon Dec 31, 2012 6:39 pm
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
CommanderTuvok wrote:Another example of the bubble that the Baboons inhabit.
http://i.imgur.com/EKc1y2a.jpg
Now, you will notice that there is a sort of veiled threat in there. Perhaps there is an "Adam Lanza" type loner amongst the Baboons who will snap and retaliate because we, the Slyme Pit, have the audacity to call their bullshit bullshit.
But you'll also notice the delusion that Ophelia is gaining lots and lots of supporters. Really? Ophelia has done her best to alienate people with her stupid behaviour and callous witch-hunts over the past year. There are no stats suggesting Ophelia's support is growing, but there is plenty of evidence of people flouncing over at FfTB, and joining their comrade-in-arms at the Slyme Pit. As someone pointed out the other day, NOBODY goes the other way. Not even Justicar, who despite getting a small infection of Baboonitis, spends most of his time sticking the boot into them.
They are seriously deluded. Perhaps it will take another hostile reception at TAM to show them how the wider community really views Ophelia and her ilk.
When I was reading FTblogs quite heavily this fall I noticed that B&W was one of the quieter blogs. Comments never really went over 10 (and were often even less than that) - whereas on Pharyngula most blog posts would have 30+ comments.
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
Apparently not all threats are equal.
Surprise, surprise, no rebuke from Ophelia.
Surprise, surprise, no rebuke from Ophelia.
-
- .
- Posts: 2181
- Joined: Wed Jul 04, 2012 3:13 am
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
Good thinking there, Nerd.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-541932
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-541932
How about it? A grinning Alf leaning up against a giant WCoA.Nerd wrote:"I always thought the Slymepitters used Alfred E. Neuman as their mascot…".
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
Just discovered this: it has probably appeared here already, but:
It's Ana Kasparian's admirable and thoughtful reply to Thunderf00t's video.
Compare this to Myers:
It's Ana Kasparian's admirable and thoughtful reply to Thunderf00t's video.
Compare this to Myers:
Such a stark difference - and the latter (& ilk) wonder why they come under criticism!PZ wrote:While we’re on the subject of how the wimminz ought to behave, I should mention the F00t’s new video, titled, “Do Hot Girls Have All the Advantages?†Yep, it’s about how women have an edge by just being pretty.
Let that sink in for a bit.
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
Back before PZ went totally insane, his post on SciBlogs would routinely (not always) generate hundreds of comments. A few in the low thousands (not counting his "lounge" threads). Their numbers (and ad revenue) are dropping like rocks.another lurker wrote: When I was reading FTblogs quite heavily this fall I noticed that B&W was one of the quieter blogs. Comments never really went over 10 (and were often even less than that) - whereas on Pharyngula most blog posts would have 30+ comments.
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
The copyright issue kills that idea, but I like it.ThreeFlangedJavis wrote:Good thinking there, Nerd.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-541932
How about it? A grinning Alf leaning up against a giant WCoA.Nerd wrote:"I always thought the Slymepitters used Alfred E. Neuman as their mascot…".
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
I like the barely-veiled threat. "Nice thing you got going on there. Be a shame if you pissed the wrong person off and they busted a cap in yo' ass."CommanderTuvok wrote:Another example of the bubble that the Baboons inhabit.
http://i.imgur.com/EKc1y2a.jpg
Now, you will notice that there is a sort of veiled threat in there. Perhaps there is an "Adam Lanza" type loner amongst the Baboons who will snap and retaliate because we, the Slyme Pit, have the audacity to call their bullshit bullshit.
But you'll also notice the delusion that Ophelia is gaining lots and lots of supporters. Really? Ophelia has done her best to alienate people with her stupid behaviour and callous witch-hunts over the past year. There are no stats suggesting Ophelia's support is growing, but there is plenty of evidence of people flouncing over at FfTB, and joining their comrade-in-arms at the Slyme Pit. As someone pointed out the other day, NOBODY goes the other way. Not even Justicar, who despite getting a small infection of Baboonitis, spends most of his time sticking the boot into them.
They are seriously deluded. Perhaps it will take another hostile reception at TAM to show them how the wider community really views Ophelia and her ilk.
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
Q. What's the difference between Princess Diana and a Coffee Filter?Lsuoma wrote:I see that one as a rehashing of "What's the last thing to go through a fly's mind when it hits your windscreen? Its arsehole."ConcentratedH2O, OM wrote:Shit, yea. I've never heard that one. In fact, I think the worst one I've heard about that incident was your basic "What was the last thing that went through Diana's mind before she died...?".Lsuoma wrote: Back in 1997 the Paris police called a garage that specialized in British Leyland cars: they wanted to know how to get an engine out of a 1961 Princess.
I also heard another Diana one, likely derived from the old chestnut that Justi told:
Q. How do you get a princess pregnant?
A. Wank off on the engine block, and let the driver do the rest.
A. A Coffee Filter gets tucked in a funnel.
:dance:
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
The thing is that what Shermer said was this:BannedAid wrote:When I first saw Shermer's quote in context, I thought it was terribly, awkwardly worded. He didn't actually say anything sexist -- he just made an observation on our culture -- but "intellectually active" is too easily misunderstood by the inattentive or the disingenuous.I'm going to ask you all a question now, a very simple one. Here is Michael Shermer (someone I admire and enjoy the works of very much) saying something that caused consternation:
“It’s who wants to stand up and talk about it, go on shows about it, go to conferences and speak about it, who’s intellectually active about it, you know, it’s more of a guy thingâ€
Do any of you think that statement is sexist?
How about this:
“It’s who wants to stand up and talk about it, go on shows about it, go to conferences and speak about it, who’s intellectually active about it, you know, it’s more of a white thingâ€
Do any of you think that is statement racist?
And from the context it is clear that Shermer’s “it†is atheism. Specifically, this is the question that was asked (from the YouTube video that he references):It’s who wants to stand up and talk about it, go on shows about it, go to conferences and speak about it, who’s intellectually active about it; you know, it’s more of a guy thing
Decidedly disingenuous, if not actually libelous, for Benson to suggest that Shermer was arguing that “intellectually active†referred to all “thinky workâ€. And that is where Louis’ question is equally disingenuous if not actually fraudulent. He has conveniently ignored the fact that the question in play is based on the supposed disparity between men and women in atheism – for which there is some quite credible statistical evidence to justify interpreting Shermer’s statement as one of fact – and not a disparity between whites and blacks in atheism.Atheist groups always consist of a bunch of (mostly old) men. You are very nice middle-aged men, but you are mostly men. In atheism we don’t have a rule that makes a woman worth only 50% as much as a man and we don’t make women stay silent and only ask their husband’s questions. We in atheism supposedly treat women as equals. So why isn’t the gender split closer to 50/50 as it should be?
And even if the topic had been so modified – “why isn’t the race split closer to 72-13?†– the appropriateness or accuracy of the hypothetical answer – “atheism, it’s more of a white thing†– would hinge on how much evidence there was for variations “substantially†different from that ratio. And, interestingly, the Pew Forum states that “fully eight-in-ten atheists and agnostics (82%) are white, 3% are black, 6% are Hispanic …†so that one might argue that the disparity between the actual and the expected isn’t as great as with gender: comparing “outlier†populations is likely to be more problematic because of extraneous variations.
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
Man, they can do nothing but bitch and moan about us lately. They're positively fucking obsessed with us. Josh has even taken to hysterically sobbing that we've "ruined the last two years". If we weren't scoring huge hits off them on a regular basis, they wouldn't even mention the Pit.
Party on, Slymepit!
http://candidchatter.files.wordpress.co ... =550&h=365
Party on, Slymepit!
http://candidchatter.files.wordpress.co ... =550&h=365
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
Used to:ERV wrote:... Really?deanesmay wrote:OK, so, short summary is, anyone who is skeptical or critical of their position is an ORC, ala Lord of the Ring orcs--not, you know, human or anything.
No one has mentioned the new guys BEAUTIFUL ANGELIC HAIR OH MY GOD SO PRETTY YOU LOOK LIKE DAVID GILMOUR WHY DO SO MANY GUYS HERE HAVE LONG PRETTY HAIR?
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8503/8395 ... 4dea_o.jpg
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
Sara Mayhew's tweet, courtesy of Za-zen
I wonder who she's referring to in that tweet :angelic-green:
Here's a clickable link in case you want to bid for Harriet Hall's beautiful knit afghan: http://t.co/T9fkdbGo
I wonder who she's referring to in that tweet :angelic-green:
Here's a clickable link in case you want to bid for Harriet Hall's beautiful knit afghan: http://t.co/T9fkdbGo
-
- .
- Posts: 3744
- Joined: Wed Jul 04, 2012 1:18 pm
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
http://i.imgur.com/R58uc2Q.jpg
As we all know Rebecca is sooooo much of an arbitrator of werdz one can use, is she aware that S.E. SMITH at DISBALEDFEMENISTS.COM declares "moron" to be an ableist slur! http://disabledfeminists.com/2010/01/01 ... ile-moron/
http://i.imgur.com/rlR49bM.jpg
Rebecca Watson - CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE!
As we all know Rebecca is sooooo much of an arbitrator of werdz one can use, is she aware that S.E. SMITH at DISBALEDFEMENISTS.COM declares "moron" to be an ableist slur! http://disabledfeminists.com/2010/01/01 ... ile-moron/
http://i.imgur.com/rlR49bM.jpg
Rebecca Watson - CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE!
-
- .
- Posts: 5357
- Joined: Fri Oct 05, 2012 12:04 am
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
Okay, now that is lovely*Altair wrote:Sara Mayhew's tweet, courtesy of Za-zen
I wonder who she's referring to in that tweet :angelic-green:
Here's a clickable link in case you want to bid for Harriet Hall's beautiful knit afghan: http://t.co/T9fkdbGo
(*I meant the afghan, but you could also read it as referring to Mayhew's tweet) :D
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
Stupid is ableist too, according to http://broadenme.tumblr.com/post/642718 ... ed-ableistCommanderTuvok wrote:http://i.imgur.com/R58uc2Q.jpg
As we all know Rebecca is sooooo much of an arbitrator of werdz one can use, is she aware that S.E. SMITH at DISBALEDFEMENISTS.COM declares "moron" to be an ableist slur! http://disabledfeminists.com/2010/01/01 ... ile-moron/
http://i.imgur.com/rlR49bM.jpg
Rebecca Watson - CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE!
Rebecca, Y U SO ABLEIST?
-
- .
- Posts: 6555
- Joined: Sat Sep 01, 2012 8:51 pm
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
There's a new cliche appearing in Meyers's safe space, "The Lounge". A commentor will declare that (s)he is going to "pouncehug" somebody.
As a fictitious example:
Truly, a bunch of cunts they is.
As a fictitious example:
Now, a "pouncehug" means to jump upon an unsuspecting person and hug them. How the fuck does this gang of freaks rationalize that this is okay, alongside their well known, and well laughed-at, hatred of unwanted physical contact? Perhaps we can expect to see pouncehugs incorporated into conference rules: "2) Please respect that we all have our own definitions of 'personal space', and that some people find intra-species contact to be a triggering event. Exception: pouncehugs, because LOL'.Carpetmuncher, Overlord of darkness and lesbotics says
*Pouncehugs Lithiumaddict, Harlot of elven madness and uberdyke queen of feminism*
Truly, a bunch of cunts they is.
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
Q: What do you call an Indian lesbian?
A: Minjeeta.
A: Minjeeta.
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
Carlin had a great saying about this, the point of which people like PeeZus and the rest miss:another lurker wrote:Well, I was being a tad hyperbolic with the FTB example. But the truth is, I really really wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt. They are 'smarter' and 'more learned' than me, after all. Right? So I stopped using 'bitch' and 'cunt' - mostly.welch wrote:another lurker wrote:The word 'cunt' used to scare me. Quite a bit in fact. The sheer power of it, the contempt. I first heard of the word when I was 15, and it filled me with dread. That was one insult I could never use.
Years later, I wound up on IRC and was sharing a chat channel with a feminist Croatian girl. This girl would not take shit from anyone. She also used 'cunt' all the time. Sometimes she would just type 'cunt', for no apparent reason. She robbed the word of its power. And I thank her for that. "Cunt" was no longer a word that could shut me up, and make me feel 'bad'.
And now, many years later, I visit FTB and suddenly 'cunt' has all the power it once had when I was 15. Power that the word does not deserve. Rather than forcing people to alter their language - especially if they still, inwardly, hold misogynist beliefs - doesn't it make more sense for women to take back the word, and rob if of any dreadful, 'sexist' meaning?
I guess what I am trying to say is, if people are using 'so-called' woman-hating words around me, or just plain vulgarity, would it not be wise to say 'hey, you cannot offend me, you do not have that power over me' than to attempt to get them to *insincerely* 'clean up' their language when around me?
Just my two cents, that's all!
If someone can completely alter your mental and emotional state by the mere utterance of a word, they own you.
Maybe, and this is crazy, but maybe one should be more discriminating in who one gives such control to.
Most of all though, the BIGGEST effect it had on me was that I policed my behaviour on FTB forums and then said whatever the fuck else I wanted to elsewhere. Which just proves the point that if you are going to police language, you will not actually effect any *real* change - you will just force people to put on an insincere act to please you (which is a point that has been made here before, many times, alerady.)
The thing is, I have spent years talking like a sailor. And I was willing to listen to FTB, and give their ideas a chance. I wanted to learn from them, to re-examine all of my preconceived notions about feminism. They had a willing ally, and they tone-policed me outta there! So now I am here, re-examining everything all over again:P
"There is nothing wrong with the word "nigger" in and of itself. It's the racist asshole using it you should worry about"
When the video of Watson's dick move against Stef McGraw came out, PeeZus literally said that Watson had been perfectly respectful because she had not used bad language, nor raised her voice, so there was no harm. (shit like that is why I think Louis is a fundamentally dishonest little fuckstick, with being the fastest sperm his only genuine achievement to date)
Let me show you a small bit of legalese:
Very polite in tone, and language. That is the paragraph used to convict Alan Turing, forcing him to be chemically castrated, worsening his depression, and likely causing his suicide.Any male person who, in public or private, commits, or is a party to the commission of, or procures, or attempts to procure the commission by any male person of, any act of gross indecency with an other male person, shall be guilty of a misdemeanour, and being convicted thereof, shall be liable at the discretion of the Court to be imprisoned for any term not exceeding two years, with or without hard labour.
Yet, if we apply the standards PeeZus uses to defend Watson, because the language is neither profane, nor "yelling", it, and the people who wrote that law were harmless.
Another one:
That's an excerpt from Reinhard Heydrich's speech at the Wannsee Conference in 1942. The holocaust started there, with those words. If there's a more obscene bit of writing, I'd be almost afraid to read it, yet, by the standards PeeZus used to defend Watson, it, and the people behind it were harmless.Under suitable direction, the Jews should be brought to the East in the course of the Final Solution, for use as labour. In large labour gangs, with the sexes separated, the Jews capable of work will be transported to those areas and set to road-building, in the course of which, without doubt, a large part of them ("ein Großteil") will fall away through natural losses. The surviving remnant, surely those with the greatest powers of resistance, will be given special treatment, since, if freed, they would constitute the germinal cell for the re-creation of Jewry.
That is the real danger of obsessing about words. They are so paranoid about "cunt" and "bitch" and all the rest that they are terribly opened to being manipulated by people who are really quite obscene, but use the proper language and bow at the right times.
Which is honestly more misogynistic, me calling watson a cunt for her dick move, or Laden trying to convince everyone that women, as a gender, are fundamentally helpless, and cannot, can. not. function without all teh menz protecting their poor helpless selves at all times? I said something rude about one person, Laden is not implying, he is directly saying that women are completely unable to fend for themselves unless men are there to protect and defend them.
HOW THE FUCK IS MY STATMENT MISOGYNISTIC AND HIS SOME FUCKING BASTION OF FEMINISM AND EMPOWERMENT? HOW THE FUCK DOES THAT WORK, BECAUSE I REALLY WANT SOMEONE TO EXPLAIN IT TO ME IN A WAY THAT ISN'T COMPLETE BULLSHIT.
Over and over, PeeZus, Laden, thimbledick and all the rest tell women "no, no, it's not your fault. You're not capable of handling this. You just stay there, and let us men handle the evil world, and well tell you when it's safe", and the worst part, the fucking really vile worst part about it is that Ophelia and Jen and Watson and all the rest line up to fucking thank them for being so fucking enlightened.
Yet, it's people like me, who have spent no small amount of time teaching women that they are *not* helpless, not emotionally, mentally, or physically, that they not only can handle the world, but they *should* handle the world as equals, that they don't need me or anyone else to defend them, because they are all competent fucking adults, able to defend themselves...we are the bad people.
because we said "cunt".
There are a lot of misogynists in the atheist/skeptic movement. The problem is, just like all the right-wingers who get busted sucking strange cock after railing against "teh gai", the true misogynists are the ones painting themselves as the white knights.
-
- .
- Posts: 5357
- Joined: Fri Oct 05, 2012 12:04 am
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... heartsick/CommanderTuvok wrote:http://i.imgur.com/R58uc2Q.jpg
As we all know Rebecca is sooooo much of an arbitrator of werdz one can use, is she aware that S.E. SMITH at DISBALEDFEMENISTS.COM declares "moron" to be an ableist slur! http://disabledfeminists.com/2010/01/01 ... ile-moron/
http://i.imgur.com/rlR49bM.jpg
Rebecca Watson - CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE!
Hahahahaha. Several other people follow cult-leader RW & call gingerbaker a moron, then cult-leader PZ follows suit (sorry if someone else already posted this, better twice than never hey):
http://i.imgur.com/HmNONe6.png
By comment #68 I don't see anyone reminding them that "moron" is an ableist word and shaming them for using it...will keep reading.
:popcorn:
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
Well duh, of course it's okay if the threat is from the "proper" people.Guest wrote:Apparently not all threats are equal.
Surprise, surprise, no rebuke from Ophelia.
-
- .
- Posts: 4024
- Joined: Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:44 pm
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
So I just looked over Rebecca's comments on PZ's blog from this:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... heartsick/
Don't click it if you don't have AdBlock installed. I'll quote the relevant comments here anyway.
Rebecca starts out with this inane comment:
They make unsavoury comment upon unsavoury comment, but don't take a single moment to examine the person's sentiment - which is sound. Dawkins should take the blame for the threats that end up in her inbox? I think the lady doth protest too much. Then again, the regular Pharyngula commenters have shown they're not much for reasonable discussion. But then again, that's the name of the game, isn't it, Louis? :dance:
Rebecca responds with this
You can use all kinds of excuses, but in the end, the ones responsible are the perpetrators themselves.
I mean, it's ridiculous. They even tried to get Catcher in the Rye banned from the bookshelves after Lennon was shot, because the killer thought he was Holden Caulfield. Seriously. How many years had the Catcher in the Rye been available in the bookstores before Lennon was murdered? If it really were so dangerous, wouldn't it have caused a mass outbreak of murders similar to the ones of Lennon, or at least a plethora of murderers who said they were inspired by it?
However, even then -- even if such a scenario would occur -- it wouldn't support the assertion that the book was responsible, that the book was the cause, because in the end, who pulled the trigger? He did. (Or in my imaginary scenario, they did.) Which means he (or they) was (or were), ultimately, responsible. Anyway, I'm getting off track.
Watson is using a logical fallacy. There is no connection to the rape threats she's allegedly gotten and Dawkins. None. Nil. To even imply it is dishonest and the way it looks, she's once again using her status as a professional victim to rag on Dawkins and the RDF. Why? Presumably because she's bored. Presumably because the money is waning. Because because she thinks she can coax another response from Dawkins, soliciting another year and a half of talks at conferences about how oppressed she is, giggling while she does it, as usual; laughing all the way to the bank.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... heartsick/
Don't click it if you don't have AdBlock installed. I'll quote the relevant comments here anyway.
Rebecca starts out with this inane comment:
Which gives us the impression that Richard Dawkins himself is responsible for her inbox exploding (there's a joke in there somewhere) with rape threats. Which spurs this comment from gingerbaker, rightfully mocking the shit out it:I guess if you’ve never been called a “feminazi†by Paula Kirby or had your inbox explode with rape threats thanks to Richard Dawkins, RDF wouldn’t look out of place on that list.
Cue the regular Pharyngula commenters piling on and assuming just how terrible this person must be and where their allegiances lie. ("Allegiances" here is used loosely - we are, after all, not a clique or a cult or a "team" [that one's for you, Louis])OMG – Richard Dawkins is responsible for the rape threats in your inbox?
This is how he responds to demands for a boycott of his books, speaking engagements, a call for the end of his career in atheism? What a self-righteous hypocritical nasty piece of work he is!
They make unsavoury comment upon unsavoury comment, but don't take a single moment to examine the person's sentiment - which is sound. Dawkins should take the blame for the threats that end up in her inbox? I think the lady doth protest too much. Then again, the regular Pharyngula commenters have shown they're not much for reasonable discussion. But then again, that's the name of the game, isn't it, Louis? :dance:
Rebecca responds with this
And this is where Watson makes a grave mistake. For years now, lobbyists have attempted to connect games, movies, and music to violence but in each and every attempt, they've failed to find a common denominator. That is because studies show that none of them are responsible. None of them are the "cause." Was Doom the cause for the Columbine massacre because the perpetrators liked playing Doom and said it would be like playing Doom? Was WoW the cause for the Utoya massacre because the perpetrator played it?#18: Apparently you’re too stupid to understand, so I’ll type slowly: his comments, which spurred the torrent of abuse I’ve received, came before I wrote a blog post on why I won’t be buying his books anymore. In fact, one could say that one was the cause of the other! If one weren’t a moron.
You can use all kinds of excuses, but in the end, the ones responsible are the perpetrators themselves.
I mean, it's ridiculous. They even tried to get Catcher in the Rye banned from the bookshelves after Lennon was shot, because the killer thought he was Holden Caulfield. Seriously. How many years had the Catcher in the Rye been available in the bookstores before Lennon was murdered? If it really were so dangerous, wouldn't it have caused a mass outbreak of murders similar to the ones of Lennon, or at least a plethora of murderers who said they were inspired by it?
However, even then -- even if such a scenario would occur -- it wouldn't support the assertion that the book was responsible, that the book was the cause, because in the end, who pulled the trigger? He did. (Or in my imaginary scenario, they did.) Which means he (or they) was (or were), ultimately, responsible. Anyway, I'm getting off track.
Watson is using a logical fallacy. There is no connection to the rape threats she's allegedly gotten and Dawkins. None. Nil. To even imply it is dishonest and the way it looks, she's once again using her status as a professional victim to rag on Dawkins and the RDF. Why? Presumably because she's bored. Presumably because the money is waning. Because because she thinks she can coax another response from Dawkins, soliciting another year and a half of talks at conferences about how oppressed she is, giggling while she does it, as usual; laughing all the way to the bank.
-
- .
- Posts: 448
- Joined: Sat Dec 29, 2012 7:00 pm
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/newuploads/i3r41.jpgSkep tickle wrote:[
Hahahahaha. Several other people follow cult-leader RW & call gingerbaker a moron, then cult-leader PZ follows suit
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
Now that you mention it, I think if I heard "it's more of a white thing" in that context I'd assume he was insulting atheists, not black people. Like, "look at these atheists, what a bunch of uptight white guys."Steersman wrote:
...
And even if the topic had been so modified – “why isn’t the race split closer to 72-13?†– the appropriateness or accuracy of the hypothetical answer – “atheism, it’s more of a white thing†– would hinge on how much evidence there was for variations “substantially†different from that ratio. And, interestingly, the Pew Forum states that “fully eight-in-ten atheists and agnostics (82%) are white, 3% are black, 6% are Hispanic …†so that one might argue that the disparity between the actual and the expected isn’t as great as with gender: comparing “outlier†populations is likely to be more problematic because of extraneous variations.
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
In Peezus' defense, this situation is like black and gay people owning slurs. He can use the term "moron" by virtue of being one himself.Skep tickle wrote:[spoiler]http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... heartsick/CommanderTuvok wrote:http://i.imgur.com/R58uc2Q.jpg
As we all know Rebecca is sooooo much of an arbitrator of werdz one can use, is she aware that S.E. SMITH at DISBALEDFEMENISTS.COM declares "moron" to be an ableist slur! http://disabledfeminists.com/2010/01/01 ... ile-moron/
http://i.imgur.com/rlR49bM.jpg
Rebecca Watson - CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE!
Hahahahaha. Several other people follow cult-leader RW & call gingerbaker a moron, then cult-leader PZ follows suit (sorry if someone else already posted this, better twice than never hey):[/spoiler]
http://i.imgur.com/HmNONe6.png
By comment #68 I don't see anyone reminding them that "moron" is an ableist word and shaming them for using it...will keep reading.
:popcorn:
Perhaps even their king.
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
you assume she might care the least for logic. This is yet another example of her New Media Douchebaggery. It's emotional manipulation backed by the confidence that no one on "her" side will actually examine her claims, because should they, she simply tags them as victim blamers/slut shamers/slymepitters/hyperskeptics, and they are wrong for any form of doubt of anything she says.Pitchguest wrote:Watson is using a logical fallacy. There is no connection to the rape threats she's allegedly gotten and Dawkins. None. Nil. To even imply it is dishonest and the way it looks, she's once again using her status as a professional victim to rag on Dawkins and the RDF. Why? Presumably because she's bored. Presumably because the money is waning. Because because she thinks she can coax another response from Dawkins, soliciting another year and a half of talks at conferences about how oppressed she is, giggling while she does it, as usual; laughing all the way to the bank.
Fuck, PeeZus justified her Galileo mistake.
This is nothing more than twisting people up for hitcounts and speaker fees.
-
- .
- Posts: 5357
- Joined: Fri Oct 05, 2012 12:04 am
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
From same comment thread at PZ's:
You can imagine how well that went over.lanclotgobbo in #78 wrote:The day we start criticising Dawkins, or any other exemplar, is the day we must decide whether we support The Peoples’ Front of Judea or The Judean Peoples’ Front. Surely we ought to remember who our opponents really are (hint: they wear funny clothes, strange hats, and not only talk to their gods but claim to hear answers) rather than splitting hairs about doctrine. Too many useful movements have ended in such schisms: please, lets not have atheism be just one more in that sorry list.
Bolding by me. Laughing by me, too. I have no idea WTF erikthebassist means by this but he's talking out his ass. :lol:erikthebassist in #104 wrote:I think I can win the JREF’s million dollar challenge. All I have to do is put a slymepitter on stage and get them talking about feminism. I should be able to accurately predict the drivel they will spew 99% of the time.
Really GingerBaker? Do you have to be so damned predictable? I mean, you attack Rebecca, then when she responds, your next comment is to PZ, about her, talking as if she’s not part of the thread.
Why does this happen every time? Women turn in to “invisible pixels†when a slymepitter is around. They will attack them, slur them, but they do everything they can to avoid talking directly to them.
-
- .
- Posts: 448
- Joined: Sat Dec 29, 2012 7:00 pm
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
Reading backwards to catch up, LOL @ Orwellia Benson's hive worker ants threatening to kneecap people. Really, just LOL.
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
No, I'm not going to apologise for not using the spoiler tag in quoting you. That was too fucking magnificent to be hidden.welch wrote:Carlin had a great saying about this, the point of which people like PeeZus and the rest miss:another lurker wrote:Well, I was being a tad hyperbolic with the FTB example. But the truth is, I really really wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt. They are 'smarter' and 'more learned' than me, after all. Right? So I stopped using 'bitch' and 'cunt' - mostly.welch wrote:another lurker wrote:The word 'cunt' used to scare me. Quite a bit in fact. The sheer power of it, the contempt. I first heard of the word when I was 15, and it filled me with dread. That was one insult I could never use.
Years later, I wound up on IRC and was sharing a chat channel with a feminist Croatian girl. This girl would not take shit from anyone. She also used 'cunt' all the time. Sometimes she would just type 'cunt', for no apparent reason. She robbed the word of its power. And I thank her for that. "Cunt" was no longer a word that could shut me up, and make me feel 'bad'.
And now, many years later, I visit FTB and suddenly 'cunt' has all the power it once had when I was 15. Power that the word does not deserve. Rather than forcing people to alter their language - especially if they still, inwardly, hold misogynist beliefs - doesn't it make more sense for women to take back the word, and rob if of any dreadful, 'sexist' meaning?
I guess what I am trying to say is, if people are using 'so-called' woman-hating words around me, or just plain vulgarity, would it not be wise to say 'hey, you cannot offend me, you do not have that power over me' than to attempt to get them to *insincerely* 'clean up' their language when around me?
Just my two cents, that's all!
If someone can completely alter your mental and emotional state by the mere utterance of a word, they own you.
Maybe, and this is crazy, but maybe one should be more discriminating in who one gives such control to.
Most of all though, the BIGGEST effect it had on me was that I policed my behaviour on FTB forums and then said whatever the fuck else I wanted to elsewhere. Which just proves the point that if you are going to police language, you will not actually effect any *real* change - you will just force people to put on an insincere act to please you (which is a point that has been made here before, many times, alerady.)
The thing is, I have spent years talking like a sailor. And I was willing to listen to FTB, and give their ideas a chance. I wanted to learn from them, to re-examine all of my preconceived notions about feminism. They had a willing ally, and they tone-policed me outta there! So now I am here, re-examining everything all over again:P
"There is nothing wrong with the word "nigger" in and of itself. It's the racist asshole using it you should worry about"
When the video of Watson's dick move against Stef McGraw came out, PeeZus literally said that Watson had been perfectly respectful because she had not used bad language, nor raised her voice, so there was no harm. (shit like that is why I think Louis is a fundamentally dishonest little fuckstick, with being the fastest sperm his only genuine achievement to date)
Let me show you a small bit of legalese:
Very polite in tone, and language. That is the paragraph used to convict Alan Turing, forcing him to be chemically castrated, worsening his depression, and likely causing his suicide.Any male person who, in public or private, commits, or is a party to the commission of, or procures, or attempts to procure the commission by any male person of, any act of gross indecency with an other male person, shall be guilty of a misdemeanour, and being convicted thereof, shall be liable at the discretion of the Court to be imprisoned for any term not exceeding two years, with or without hard labour.
Yet, if we apply the standards PeeZus uses to defend Watson, because the language is neither profane, nor "yelling", it, and the people who wrote that law were harmless.
Another one:
That's an excerpt from Reinhard Heydrich's speech at the Wannsee Conference in 1942. The holocaust started there, with those words. If there's a more obscene bit of writing, I'd be almost afraid to read it, yet, by the standards PeeZus used to defend Watson, it, and the people behind it were harmless.Under suitable direction, the Jews should be brought to the East in the course of the Final Solution, for use as labour. In large labour gangs, with the sexes separated, the Jews capable of work will be transported to those areas and set to road-building, in the course of which, without doubt, a large part of them ("ein Großteil") will fall away through natural losses. The surviving remnant, surely those with the greatest powers of resistance, will be given special treatment, since, if freed, they would constitute the germinal cell for the re-creation of Jewry.
That is the real danger of obsessing about words. They are so paranoid about "cunt" and "bitch" and all the rest that they are terribly opened to being manipulated by people who are really quite obscene, but use the proper language and bow at the right times.
Which is honestly more misogynistic, me calling watson a cunt for her dick move, or Laden trying to convince everyone that women, as a gender, are fundamentally helpless, and cannot, can. not. function without all teh menz protecting their poor helpless selves at all times? I said something rude about one person, Laden is not implying, he is directly saying that women are completely unable to fend for themselves unless men are there to protect and defend them.
HOW THE FUCK IS MY STATMENT MISOGYNISTIC AND HIS SOME FUCKING BASTION OF FEMINISM AND EMPOWERMENT? HOW THE FUCK DOES THAT WORK, BECAUSE I REALLY WANT SOMEONE TO EXPLAIN IT TO ME IN A WAY THAT ISN'T COMPLETE BULLSHIT.
Over and over, PeeZus, Laden, thimbledick and all the rest tell women "no, no, it's not your fault. You're not capable of handling this. You just stay there, and let us men handle the evil world, and well tell you when it's safe", and the worst part, the fucking really vile worst part about it is that Ophelia and Jen and Watson and all the rest line up to fucking thank them for being so fucking enlightened.
Yet, it's people like me, who have spent no small amount of time teaching women that they are *not* helpless, not emotionally, mentally, or physically, that they not only can handle the world, but they *should* handle the world as equals, that they don't need me or anyone else to defend them, because they are all competent fucking adults, able to defend themselves...we are the bad people.
because we said "cunt".
There are a lot of misogynists in the atheist/skeptic movement. The problem is, just like all the right-wingers who get busted sucking strange cock after railing against "teh gai", the true misogynists are the ones painting themselves as the white knights.
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
Skep tickle wrote:From same comment thread at PZ's:
You can imagine how well that went over.lanclotgobbo in #78 wrote:The day we start criticising Dawkins, or any other exemplar, is the day we must decide whether we support The Peoples’ Front of Judea or The Judean Peoples’ Front. Surely we ought to remember who our opponents really are (hint: they wear funny clothes, strange hats, and not only talk to their gods but claim to hear answers) rather than splitting hairs about doctrine. Too many useful movements have ended in such schisms: please, lets not have atheism be just one more in that sorry list.
Bolding by me. Laughing by me, too. I have no idea WTF erikthebassist means by this but he's talking out his ass. :lol:erikthebassist in #104 wrote:I think I can win the JREF’s million dollar challenge. All I have to do is put a slymepitter on stage and get them talking about feminism. I should be able to accurately predict the drivel they will spew 99% of the time.
Really GingerBaker? Do you have to be so damned predictable? I mean, you attack Rebecca, then when she responds, your next comment is to PZ, about her, talking as if she’s not part of the thread.
Why does this happen every time? Women turn in to “invisible pixels†when a slymepitter is around. They will attack them, slur them, but they do everything they can to avoid talking directly to them.
Man. I guess when I was volunteering time with the roller derby team to help them clean their new sport floor on saturday, I sat there in the sun talking to...no one?
I seriously wonder if they even read what they write themselves.
-
- .
- Posts: 5357
- Joined: Fri Oct 05, 2012 12:04 am
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
I'd think generating a disagreement between them would be better theatre for the paying audience than having PZ capitulate his position so readily.welch wrote:you assume she might care the least for logic. This is yet another example of her New Media Douchebaggery. It's emotional manipulation backed by the confidence that no one on "her" side will actually examine her claims, because should they, she simply tags them as victim blamers/slut shamers/slymepitters/hyperskeptics, and they are wrong for any form of doubt of anything she says.Pitchguest wrote:Watson is using a logical fallacy. There is no connection to the rape threats she's allegedly gotten and Dawkins. None. Nil. To even imply it is dishonest and the way it looks, she's once again using her status as a professional victim to rag on Dawkins and the RDF. Why? Presumably because she's bored. Presumably because the money is waning. Because because she thinks she can coax another response from Dawkins, soliciting another year and a half of talks at conferences about how oppressed she is, giggling while she does it, as usual; laughing all the way to the bank.
Fuck, PeeZus justified her Galileo mistake.
This is nothing more than twisting people up for hitcounts and speaker fees.
(But then it's clear I wouldn't be good at putting NMD effectively into play.)
-
- .
- Posts: 4740
- Joined: Mon Dec 31, 2012 6:39 pm
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
welch wrote:[spoiler]Carlin had a great saying about this, the point of which people like PeeZus and the rest miss:another lurker wrote:Well, I was being a tad hyperbolic with the FTB example. But the truth is, I really really wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt. They are 'smarter' and 'more learned' than me, after all. Right? So I stopped using 'bitch' and 'cunt' - mostly.welch wrote:another lurker wrote:The word 'cunt' used to scare me. Quite a bit in fact. The sheer power of it, the contempt. I first heard of the word when I was 15, and it filled me with dread. That was one insult I could never use.
Years later, I wound up on IRC and was sharing a chat channel with a feminist Croatian girl. This girl would not take shit from anyone. She also used 'cunt' all the time. Sometimes she would just type 'cunt', for no apparent reason. She robbed the word of its power. And I thank her for that. "Cunt" was no longer a word that could shut me up, and make me feel 'bad'.
And now, many years later, I visit FTB and suddenly 'cunt' has all the power it once had when I was 15. Power that the word does not deserve. Rather than forcing people to alter their language - especially if they still, inwardly, hold misogynist beliefs - doesn't it make more sense for women to take back the word, and rob if of any dreadful, 'sexist' meaning?
I guess what I am trying to say is, if people are using 'so-called' woman-hating words around me, or just plain vulgarity, would it not be wise to say 'hey, you cannot offend me, you do not have that power over me' than to attempt to get them to *insincerely* 'clean up' their language when around me?
Just my two cents, that's all!
If someone can completely alter your mental and emotional state by the mere utterance of a word, they own you.
Maybe, and this is crazy, but maybe one should be more discriminating in who one gives such control to.
Most of all though, the BIGGEST effect it had on me was that I policed my behaviour on FTB forums and then said whatever the fuck else I wanted to elsewhere. Which just proves the point that if you are going to police language, you will not actually effect any *real* change - you will just force people to put on an insincere act to please you (which is a point that has been made here before, many times, alerady.)
The thing is, I have spent years talking like a sailor. And I was willing to listen to FTB, and give their ideas a chance. I wanted to learn from them, to re-examine all of my preconceived notions about feminism. They had a willing ally, and they tone-policed me outta there! So now I am here, re-examining everything all over again:P
"There is nothing wrong with the word "nigger" in and of itself. It's the racist asshole using it you should worry about"
When the video of Watson's dick move against Stef McGraw came out, PeeZus literally said that Watson had been perfectly respectful because she had not used bad language, nor raised her voice, so there was no harm. (shit like that is why I think Louis is a fundamentally dishonest little fuckstick, with being the fastest sperm his only genuine achievement to date)
Let me show you a small bit of legalese:
Very polite in tone, and language. That is the paragraph used to convict Alan Turing, forcing him to be chemically castrated, worsening his depression, and likely causing his suicide.Any male person who, in public or private, commits, or is a party to the commission of, or procures, or attempts to procure the commission by any male person of, any act of gross indecency with an other male person, shall be guilty of a misdemeanour, and being convicted thereof, shall be liable at the discretion of the Court to be imprisoned for any term not exceeding two years, with or without hard labour.
Yet, if we apply the standards PeeZus uses to defend Watson, because the language is neither profane, nor "yelling", it, and the people who wrote that law were harmless.
Another one:
That's an excerpt from Reinhard Heydrich's speech at the Wannsee Conference in 1942. The holocaust started there, with those words. If there's a more obscene bit of writing, I'd be almost afraid to read it, yet, by the standards PeeZus used to defend Watson, it, and the people behind it were harmless.Under suitable direction, the Jews should be brought to the East in the course of the Final Solution, for use as labour. In large labour gangs, with the sexes separated, the Jews capable of work will be transported to those areas and set to road-building, in the course of which, without doubt, a large part of them ("ein Großteil") will fall away through natural losses. The surviving remnant, surely those with the greatest powers of resistance, will be given special treatment, since, if freed, they would constitute the germinal cell for the re-creation of Jewry.
That is the real danger of obsessing about words. They are so paranoid about "cunt" and "bitch" and all the rest that they are terribly opened to being manipulated by people who are really quite obscene, but use the proper language and bow at the right times.
Which is honestly more misogynistic, me calling watson a cunt for her dick move, or Laden trying to convince everyone that women, as a gender, are fundamentally helpless, and cannot, can. not. function without all teh menz protecting their poor helpless selves at all times? I said something rude about one person, Laden is not implying, he is directly saying that women are completely unable to fend for themselves unless men are there to protect and defend them.
HOW THE FUCK IS MY STATMENT MISOGYNISTIC AND HIS SOME FUCKING BASTION OF FEMINISM AND EMPOWERMENT? HOW THE FUCK DOES THAT WORK, BECAUSE I REALLY WANT SOMEONE TO EXPLAIN IT TO ME IN A WAY THAT ISN'T COMPLETE BULLSHIT.
Over and over, PeeZus, Laden, thimbledick and all the rest tell women "no, no, it's not your fault. You're not capable of handling this. You just stay there, and let us men handle the evil world, and well tell you when it's safe", and the worst part, the fucking really vile worst part about it is that Ophelia and Jen and Watson and all the rest line up to fucking thank them for being so fucking enlightened.
Yet, it's people like me, who have spent no small amount of time teaching women that they are *not* helpless, not emotionally, mentally, or physically, that they not only can handle the world, but they *should* handle the world as equals, that they don't need me or anyone else to defend them, because they are all competent fucking adults, able to defend themselves...we are the bad people.[/spoiler]
because we said "cunt".
There are a lot of misogynists in the atheist/skeptic movement. The problem is, just like all the right-wingers who get busted sucking strange cock after railing against "teh gai", the true misogynists are the ones painting themselves as the white knights.
Spot on. I ran into a similar situation years ago when I was playing Everquest. I met this guy in game who was a total sociopath. I mean this quite literally. He had no regard for anyone but himself and everyone existed to please him. He would feel 'victimized' if fellow players did not hand everything over to him and obey his every word. Yet he abused everyone in his life pretty much non-stop. He stole his ex-wife's inheritance (he lied about it, said that SHE stole HIS money). He portrayed her as a slut and sent nudie pix of her to like, everyone he could. He diddled his 15 year old step daughter...
He abused the Everquest game servers so badly that when he was banned the GM's announced it server-wide. He has gone from game to game hacking and cheating and he sees this as a wonderful sign of what a badass he is. He has stolen thousands of dollars from people stupid enough to join his guilds. The list goes on and on...any woman that is stupid enough to send him nudie pics gets those pics shared with the entire internet, and he laughs about it.
When I finally ditched him b/c I was tired of all the abuse, he went around to all my friends and said that *I* was a psychopath who stole from him etc etc.
Anyways, to make a long story short, HE ADMONISHED ME B/C I HAD A POTTY MOUTH. Yep, I was the bad guy b/c I said fuck fuck fuck when I was irritated. However, purposely griefing, abusing and outright STEALING is ok, as long as you don't swear :P
P.S. This discussion reminds me of a quote by Bertrand Russell:
http://www.reocities.com/Athens/Oracle/ ... _sex-m.htmThe consequence has been to make sexual morality even more difficult than it was made by St. Paul. Not only is sexual intercourse only legitimate within marriage, but even between husband and wife it becomes a sin unless it is hoped that it will lead to pregnancy. The desire for legitimate offspring is, in fact, according to the Catholic Church, the only motive which can justify sexual intercourse. But this motive always justifies it, no matter what cruelty may accompany it. If the wife hates sexual intercourse, if she is likely to die of another pregnancy, if the child is likely to be diseased or insane, if there is not enough money to prevent the utmost extreme of misery, that does not prevent the man from being justified in insisting on his conjugal rights, provided only that he hopes to beget a child. (M.M.p52/3)
Sex for fun = a sin
Sex for procreation when that pregnancy will kill your wife = acceptable
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
I know how much you lot like 'Freeze Peach', so here's the first part of my defence of 'freeze peach':
http://skepticink.com/notung/2013/01/22 ... m-part-12/
http://skepticink.com/notung/2013/01/22 ... m-part-12/
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
[youtube]av8NTy5WkFc[/youtube]Gumby wrote:Man, they can do nothing but bitch and moan about us lately. They're positively fucking obsessed with us. Josh has even taken to hysterically sobbing that we've "ruined the last two years". If we weren't scoring huge hits off them on a regular basis, they wouldn't even mention the Pit.
Party on, Slymepit!
Re: Slyme Pit Orgy, Sponsored by Vicky's Bewbs
Interesting that PZ stops short of saying any of those organizations support him. I wonder how many of those organizations would go on record as supporting, in the interest of "improving the diversity of the atheist community and broadening our engagement with the greater culture," some of PZ's favorite tactics:PZ Myers wrote:But then…perspective. Step away from the smears and assaults and slime and look at the movement as a whole: look at the leading organizations of the godless. You know what you’ll see? None of them support these loons. They’re all progressive and committed to improving the diversity of the atheist community and broadening our engagement with the greater culture.
Really. Look at American Atheists, the American Humanist Association, the Center for Inquiry, Atheist Alliance International and Atheist Alliance America, the Secular Coalition, the Secular Student Alliance, and the Richard Dawkins Foundation. They are not supporting these petty, resentful snipers; they are working towards a future in which those goons are irrelevant.
-censoring/editing dissenting opinions
-encouraging pile-ons of personal attacks against newcomers
-dismissing non-scientific contributions to atheism
-responding to sincere apologies with "fuck 'em to the ground." (rape threat, btw, using his rules. presumably gelato guy didn't want to be fucked into the ground).
etc...
But, yeah, PZ, they're on your side. Your critics are all just going to shut up. Any day now.