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Continuation of the post at Abbie Smith's ERV blog (http://scienceblogs.com/erv/)

Re: Now surreptitioused by [spoiler]my abuser[/spoiler]

Postby surreptitious57 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:17 am  •  [Post 2601]

Michael K Gray wrote:
your meal mouthed bully supporting non arguments

you have severe restrictions placed on yourself out of terror

You do not have to read my posts now you know

No one is terrorising me no matter how much you may think so
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby TheMan » Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:17 am  •  [Post 2602]

surreptitious57 wrote:
Mr Danksworth wrote:
Why even mention it then

I was asked a question so gave an answer

Otherwise I would not have mentioned it at all

And zero out of two by the way so sorry about that


I took what you wrote as you made a promise or contract not reveal certain things regarding Aplus. We mostly here have enquiring minds and that was a rag to a bull
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby Phil_Giordana_FCD » Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:18 am  •  [Post 2603]

Apples wrote:
fascination wrote:Welcome to the Pit Mudbrooker! So, you like to "lay pipe" do you?


You beat me to it :D

Mudbrooker here's a welcome basket -
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CORN SNAAAAAKE!!!

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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby Michael J » Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:18 am  •  [Post 2604]

Reap wrote:To anyone concerned. I have made it clear to Lee Moore that no one person is qualified to speak for the slymepit. His lack of a better term referring to opposition of FTB was probably why there was some confusion. I wasn't aware that was the way it was being presented. I only speak for me and I have never claimed otherwise. I understand that some idiots are probably going to make the mistake of assuming anyone who is a member of this forum and speaks in public is speaking for the entire forum there isn't much can be done about that except make it clear that isn't the case.


How could anyone speak for the slymepit? We are so diverse that we can't talk about friggin' bread without having a fight.
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby sacha » Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:18 am  •  [Post 2605]

rayshul wrote:
sacha wrote:
Submariner wrote:
jimthepleb wrote:If i had a choice of anyone to send to a meeting with a view to sorting this crap out it would be Welch. But then i like to put the cat among the pigeons.

Scented Nectar would be good too. Having a woman "representing" the opposition would be awesome. Harder to accuse a woman of misogyny, privilege, and rape apologia.

you would be surprised, luv

Weren't you the first person they tried to ban from a conference event?



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Re: Now surreptitioused by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby Mr Danksworth » Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:21 am  •  [Post 2606]

surreptitious57 wrote:
Mr Danksworth wrote:
Why even mention it then

I was asked a question so gave an answer

Otherwise I would not have mentioned it at all

And zero out of two by the way so sorry about that


That's ok, you can go fuck yourself anyway.
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby John Greg » Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:27 am  •  [Post 2607]

surreptitious(n) (viewtopic.php?p=58170#p58170) said:

I have severe restrictions on what I can and can not say. You might find that hard to believe but it is the truth now. There is nothing I can do about it either and I am not allowed to discuss it on this site but I can tell you that I have a life time ban however. Beyond that I cannot say. So anyone reading this had better not ask me anything about it because you shall get nothing from me so best to just let it go


Oh, for fuck's sake. :roll:

I have special information. Very special, and private, priviledged info ... but I cannot speak of it. Oh no. It would prove me right ... and very, very special. But I cannot say anything about it. And do not ask me about it! for I cannot speak of such things or they would be rendered null and void. I also have a fire breathing, pink, invisible dragon, that leaves no footprints, in my garage. But do not ask me to prove it, because then it would vanish. I am so, so, special. I work for the CIA ... no, the NSA ... um, no, HomeSecurity ... and the lizard overlords....

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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby UnbelieveSteve » Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:41 am  •  [Post 2608]

incognito wrote:
AndrewV69 wrote:
Remick wrote:So after at least of week of attempting to get myself unbanned over at A+, without any response or even a full reason why I was permanently banned, I figured there is no reason to not "out" myself here. I had been lurking here for a while, but realized I couldn't see some of the (presumably) amusing images as a lurker so I signed up. Initially I thought it best not to use the same handle, less be permabanned places simply by being a member here, but I give zero fucks about that anymore. Anyhow, I posted over at A+ as kbonn, and once in a while posted over at FtB.


OK... my first Welcome (I think).

Someone, I am reasonably certain, will be along to hand you the traditions "basket of links" given to a former member of A+, and someone else with a welcome mat with the traditional "FUCK OFF" written on it.

Wind can do both actually. But we will see.


Required reading basket of links:

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And Remick, FUCK OFF!

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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby surreptitious57 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:51 am  •  [Post 2609]

TheMan wrote:
I took what you wrote as you made a promise or contract to not reveal certain things regarding A plus

You think Atheism Plus would trust a restricted user with private information

I know nothing about that site that no one from here would not be able to access now
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby TheMan » Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:55 am  •  [Post 2610]

surreptitious57 wrote:
TheMan wrote:
I took what you wrote as you made a promise or contract to not reveal certain things regarding A plus

You think Atheism Plus would trust a restricted user with private information

I know nothing about that site that no one from here would not be able to access now


Fair enough...

so... you wear clingies of boxers?

( I was going to say "dick stickers" but that would have been presumptuous of me)
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby TheMan » Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:59 am  •  [Post 2611]

did I miss something?

Where is Rystefn? I miss his ugly nog.
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Re: Now stoopided by [spoiler]a dick[/spoiler]

Postby Michael K Gray » Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:08 am  •  [Post 2612]

TheMan wrote:
surreptitious57 wrote:You think Atheism Plus would trust[Ed: Pffft!] a restricted user with private information
I know nothing about that site that no one from here would not be able to access now

Fair enough...

We could get Thunderf00t, with his apparently 'mazing l33t haxxor skilz (according to those technical geniuses in FfTB), to crack the A✞Theism "back door" entry, and steal their TOP SECRET military blueprints for konstructing their newly created SJW Sooper-Robot-Warrior, Silicon-Setar-Scissor-Dick! With a box-cutter for a penis!
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby Phil_Giordana_FCD » Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:12 am  •  [Post 2613]

TheMan wrote:did I miss something?

Where is Rystefn? I miss his ugly nog.


He's having health issues at the moment.
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby comslave » Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:23 am  •  [Post 2615]

If Mickey Mouse cornered Minnie Mouse in an elevator and asked out for coffee, would that be mouseginy?

:rimshot:
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]mouse dick[/spoiler]

Postby Michael K Gray » Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:48 am  •  [Post 2616]

comslave wrote:If Mickey Mouse cornered Minnie Mouse in an elevator and asked out for coffee, would that be mouseginy

Does he get to use his Steamboat Willie?
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby Oneiros666 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:49 am  •  [Post 2617]

justinvacula wrote:New post from Lousy Canuck - quite rich, I must say. Same old propaganda and a confirmation of what many here have said - the #ftbullies aren't willing to back down. Can't say I tried.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/lousycanuck ... mer-accord

It's quite interesting, really. I got some shit for stating my position on the 'deep rifts' -- it wasn't diplomatic -- (TM), but Lousy Canuck does that in his post. Maybe George Waye will come on over and comment.

Canuck even links Adam Lee's ridiculous 'have you stopped beating your wife' terms:
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/ksln6r

A 'masterpiece,' I must say.


I don't think you should have offered any sort of "cease-fire". I cringed when I first read about it.

Why should we let up? In any way? These fuckers needs to be utterly annhiliated from the atheist community. Fuck 'em the ground.

- No goddamn harassment policies (except those cons are obliged to have due to insurance issues).
- No goddamn anti- free speech rules where you're not allowed to "offend" anyone at cons/seminars.
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- No goddamn free childcare at cons. If people want to have kids, fine. If they're stupid and got a kid without the means to support that kid, not my goddamn problem. If I attend a conference, I want my money to go to that conference's motherfucking content (i.e. speakers, dinner, location, etc.); not Greta Christina's adopted African trans-little person.
- Everyone is free to make as much "fake" jewellery as they want.
- No fucking "affirmative action" in regards to the gender/sexuality/race of the speakers at conferences. If there are qualified female speakers, they will be invited. This isn't kindergarten where we need the teacher to make everyone play with the unpopular kid.

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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby decius » Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:53 am  •  [Post 2618]

Lsuoma, I trust your judgement completely, but I'm not thrilled by the secrecy and the intelligence gathering on other forums without the possibility for the rest of us to make up our own mind about Eucliwood.
Keep in mind that s/h/it is popping up on Twitter and elsewhere and engaging with individual members. By not sharing the information, you may be saving the Pit's arse, but needlessly leaving other people out in the cold.

I think everyone here will respect your wish not to have the topic discussed, but if you could provide a link to what prompted your decision, I would be very grateful.
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]your donation[/spoiler]

Postby Michael K Gray » Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:59 am  •  [Post 2619]

decius wrote:Lsuoma, I trust your judgement completely, but I'm not thrilled by the secrecy and the intelligence gathering on other forums without the possibility for the rest of us to make up our own mind about Eucliwood.
Keep in mind that s/h/it is popping up on Twitter and elsewhere and engaging with individual members. By not sharing the information, you may be saving the Pit's arse, but needlessly leaving other people out in the cold.

I think everyone here will respect your wish not to have the topic discussed, but if you could provide a link to what prompted your decision, I would be very grateful.

Donate $500 to run the site, and maybe you will have your wish...
Otherwise, it has nothing to do with you.
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Re: Now stoopided by [spoiler]a dick[/spoiler]

Postby TheMan » Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:04 am  •  [Post 2620]

Michael K Gray wrote:
TheMan wrote:
surreptitious57 wrote:You think Atheism Plus would trust[Ed: Pffft!] a restricted user with private information
I know nothing about that site that no one from here would not be able to access now

Fair enough...

We could get Thunderf00t, with his apparently 'mazing l33t haxxor skilz (according to those technical geniuses in FfTB), to crack the A✞Theism "back door" entry, and steal their TOP SECRET military blueprints for konstructing their newly created SJW Sooper-Robot-Warrior, Silicon-Setar-Scissor-Dick! With a box-cutter for a penis!


Is that your move? Roll for initiative....
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]your donation[/spoiler]

Postby decius » Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:07 am  •  [Post 2621]

Michael K Gray wrote:Donate $500 to run the site, and maybe you will have your wish...
Otherwise, it has nothing to do with you.


Since I'm the one who was originally threatened by E, it has - at least marginally - to do with me. Or with Renee and others who are currently being contacted by s/h/it on Twitter.
Also, it's difficult to imagine a reason why sharing cautionary information could damage Lsuoma.
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby TheMan » Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:07 am  •  [Post 2622]

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
TheMan wrote:did I miss something?

Where is Rystefn? I miss his ugly nog.


He's having health issues at the moment.


Damn, missed the memo then.... hope he gets well soon.
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby Phil_Giordana_FCD » Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:14 am  •  [Post 2623]

TheMan wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
TheMan wrote:did I miss something?

Where is Rystefn? I miss his ugly nog.


He's having health issues at the moment.


Damn, missed the memo then.... hope he gets well soon.


There was no memo. He told me on the zuper zekret backchorum.
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby rayshul » Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:17 am  •  [Post 2624]

I'm up for free childcare at conventions. I wouldn't demand it or consider it as a "YAY WOMENZZZZ WIN" thing (it wouldn't benefit me any) but it's a "nice to have".
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]your donation[/spoiler]

Postby Michael K Gray » Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:19 am  •  [Post 2625]

decius wrote:
Michael K Gray wrote:Donate $500 to run the site, and maybe you will have your wish...
Otherwise, it has nothing to do with you.

Since I'm the one who was originally threatened by E, it has - at least marginally - to do with me. Or with Renee and others who are currently being contacted by s/h/it on Twitter.

Now you are sounding more like Orphwellia in panic mode.
Get a grip, man.
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]your donation[/spoiler]

Postby decius » Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:23 am  •  [Post 2626]

Michael K Gray wrote:
decius wrote:
Michael K Gray wrote:Donate $500 to run the site, and maybe you will have your wish...
Otherwise, it has nothing to do with you.

Since I'm the one who was originally threatened by E, it has - at least marginally - to do with me. Or with Renee and others who are currently being contacted by s/h/it on Twitter.

Now you are sounding more like Orphwellia in panic mode.
Get a grip, man.


Substitute with a better verb. I think "threatened with legal action" doesn't imply panic, but whatever.
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby UnbelieveSteve » Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:25 am  •  [Post 2627]

Atheismplus.
Last 15 days = 38 new subscribers.
How many of those are banned users signing in under new sock accounts?
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby Michael K Gray » Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:25 am  •  [Post 2628]

rayshul wrote:I'm up for free childcare at conventions. I wouldn't demand it or consider it as a "YAY WOMENZZZZ WIN" thing (it wouldn't benefit me any) but it's a "nice to have".

And it is intended to benefit PARENTS, for fux sake, not just XX chromosome breeders.
It is for Dad's and Grandparent's and Foster carers.
And I despise the OP's Libertarian assertion that if one "decides" to have offspring, one should be rich enough at all times to be able to farm them out to contract carers. Utterly unsympathetic & unrealistic codswallop to apply that condition to other people.
He might well have just have said as an extension: "I don't agree with paying for public pavement so that people in wheelchairs can get to conferences!".
He must be a Septic.
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]your donation[/spoiler]

Postby Michael K Gray » Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:27 am  •  [Post 2629]

decius wrote:Substitute with a better verb. I think "threatened with legal action" doesn't imply panic, but whatever.

References, please. I don't recall seeing you threatened with legal action by Eucliwoo anywhere, credible or otherwise, although I admit that I may be mistaken.
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby UnbelieveSteve » Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:28 am  •  [Post 2630]

UnbelieveSteve wrote:Atheismplus.
Last 15 days = 38 new subscribers.
How many of those are banned users signing in under new sock accounts?


Oops. Make that 18 days.
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby jjbinx007 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:28 am  •  [Post 2631]

Is this the first confirmed photograph of Mykeru?

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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]your donation[/spoiler]

Postby decius » Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:30 am  •  [Post 2632]

Michael K Gray wrote:
decius wrote:Substitute with a better verb. I think "threatened with legal action" doesn't imply panic, but whatever.

References, please. I don't recall seeing you threatened with legal action by Eucliwoo anywhere, credible or otherwise, although I admit that I may be mistaken.


S/h/it threatened to trump up accusations and involve the feds. Most people here are familiar with the incident and I can't be arsed to provide you with the link. Thanks for your understanding.
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Postby Phil_Giordana_FCD » Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:41 am  •  [Post 2633]

Decius: the Feds are out of your range. Interpol, maybe?
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby surreptitious57 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:42 am  •  [Post 2634]

Notung wrote:

1 ) The elevator story is an ordinary event
2 ) If an ordinary event is recounted by a man, you would not question it
3 ) ( 1 2 ) You would not question the elevator story if a man recounted it

4 ) The elevator story was recounted by a woman
5 ) If you question a story recounted by a woman that you would not have questioned
if it was recounted by a man, you are guilty of sexist behaviour
6 ) ( 3 4 5 ) If you question the elevator story, you are guilty of sexist behaviour

7 ) If you legitimately ( ? ) argue against Rebecca Watson saying guys do not do that
then you question the elevator story
8 ) If you are on the other side but do not make rape threats or use slurs then you
legitimately ( ? ) argue against Rebecca Watson saying guys do not do that

C ) ( 6 7 8 ) Those on the other side who do not make rape threats or use slurs
are guilty of sexist behaviour


I think it is unsound - I see no reason to believe premises 2 7 or 8 are true

I think it is unsound - I see no no reason to believe premises 2 3 6 7 8

Prermise 8 is unbelievably flawed because it assumes compartmentalisation

Which is a bit of a problem for Rebecca because I am not as neat as that now
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby Phil_Giordana_FCD » Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:43 am  •  [Post 2635]

And by the by, what did you do that was so horrible authorities should be called for?
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Postby Phil_Giordana_FCD » Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:49 am  •  [Post 2636]

I'll make that one a short one:

http://lelab.europe1.fr/t/sandrine-maze ... nelle-7274

For you non-privileged people who can't read french, it goes like this:

Mazvetier wants to change the name "école maternelle" because, by refering to mothers, it's a sexist name.

Discuss. (or don't, who cares?)

SJW at work.

And double spacing because it makes it easier to read than Reap's posts!
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]your donation[/spoiler]

Postby Michael K Gray » Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:51 am  •  [Post 2637]

decius wrote:
Michael K Gray wrote:
decius wrote:Substitute with a better verb. I think "threatened with legal action" doesn't imply panic, but whatever.

References, please. I don't recall seeing you threatened with legal action by Eucliwoo anywhere, credible or otherwise, although I admit that I may be mistaken.

S/h/it threatened to trump up accusations and involve the feds. Most people here are familiar with the incident and I can't be arsed to provide you with the link. Thanks for your understanding.

Well, I checked through most of Eucliwood's posts based on various likely keywords, and can find nothing of the sort.
As you are so FTB unwilling to validate your claim, can another, such a Scented Nectar possibly find it for me, please? Or at least inform me of the keyword(s) that I should search on?
Sorry to be such a skeptic about your claim, but that's the name of the game here, (or at least it was).
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Postby Philip of Tealand » Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:53 am  •  [Post 2638]

jimthepleb wrote:
Reap wrote:I'm way behind, trying to catch up. Is there anything that gets to jump to the front of the line?
Here's a nice podcast for your trouble
http://www.reapsowradio.com/?p=31348

Eucliwood is the first person banned permanently (i anticipate s/h/it's guest appearance in the next few hours)
2 members of A+ Wind and Kbonn have joined us on the dark side. (we told em to fuck off, they're still here, which is kinda cool)
Mudbrooker from youtube has joined us. (coolest voice on the tubes Reap, sign him up NOW!!)
PZ is a dick (so no change there)
Apparently there has been a little local trouble in the middle-east, over which voices here were raised, then lowered again.
Justin has reached his goal and he WILL go to the ball.
Tentative fingers are stretching across the divide for a reconciliation over the deep rift, nominations for representatives are being sought.....actually screw sending Welch to fuck with 'em....LETS SEND REAP!
Oh and you are a racist, misogynist harasser....so again no change there;)
Apart from that....been quiet.
Now time for my bed 5.30am
Oh and some cunt nicked my avatar.


I'm all for sending Franc personally, no offence Justin but...its the tash mate.... ;)

Plus you said the word Cunt, you racist rapist!! :D

Now fuck off to bed!

Richard Dworkins - I'm not entirely convinced by your post that Justin's actions have hampered his chances at the conference or talking about a cease fire twixt us and the Baboons - seriously, those people will attempt to find ANYTHING to make someone who disagrees with them or does not adhere to the overly hysteric Rules they seem to think are important about. They don't want to actually discuss any of their faults and they want to make it utterly impossible for the person who would go and discuss the subject of what is wrong between the Slymers and the Baboons.

Justin could say - and has been saying - any number of reasonable and non offensive things - they would fucking pillory him no matter what! Any of us could be sent to talk cease fire and we would still be the bastards.

Like Mykeru said, no matter how much time and trouble you go to in order to denounce this lot with evidence based reasoning, the fuckers can spout their bullshit and enough lazy people agree with them

Look at Shermer - I think he is actually quite a calm and reasonable chap - Ophelia would have us believe that he Nazified the Baboons - he went out of his way to show her that, in intricate detail, that actually, no, he hadn't said anything of the sort - "fuck that" say the Baboons, "you evil, racist, rapist misogynist" etc etc etc

They even have the gall to send out idiotic demands that before anything is discussed that we become like them before the discussion is had - what kind of level playing field is that???

Balls to them.
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Postby Phil_Giordana_FCD » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:00 am  •  [Post 2639]

Michael K Gray wrote:Sorry to be such a skeptic about your claim, but that's the name of the game here, (or at least it was).


Still is, as far as I'm concerned. Except when it comes to jews baking muslim wholegrain bread. Or something.

Which reminds me of a crass joke my (very Polish Jew) significant other told me not so long ago:

How do you fit 10 jews in a Volkswagen Beetle?

2 in the front seats, 2 in the back, the rest in the ashtray.


:rimshot:

I am an asshole, aren't I?
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Postby decius » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:09 am  •  [Post 2640]

The keyword was FBI.

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Postby Michael K Gray » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:13 am  •  [Post 2641]

Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
How do you fit 10 jews in a Volkswagen Beetle?
2 in the front seats, 2 in the back, the rest in the ashtray.

Und zey say zat ve Germans have no sense of humour, nein!

(Yeah, yeah:- I know it was told by a Polack. But zat is und alvays was a part of ze FatherLand! 3rd time lucky, eh mein Britisher pals?)
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Postby Dick Strawkins » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:26 am  •  [Post 2642]

Notung wrote:
jimthepleb wrote:Lousy Canuck: Anyone trying to legitimately argue with the thesis of “guys, don’t do that” without attacking in this manner, has likewise been (correctly) called out on sexist behaviour — maybe not behaviour as egregiously or unequivocally sexist as, say, rape threats or slurs, but it is definitely sexist behaviour to question a person relating an ordinary event just because said event was the genesis for a point you disagree with viscerally.

'Guys don't do that' constitutes a thesis? Am I missing something?
Besides which, can anyone else make head or tail of that sentence?


The argument seems to go like this:

1) The elevator story is an ordinary event.
2) If an ordinary event is recounted by a man, you would not question it.
3) (1,2) You would not question the elevator story if a man recounted it.

4) The elevator story was recounted by a woman.
5) If you question a story recounted by a woman that you would not have questioned if it was recounted by a man, you are guilty of sexist behaviour.
6) (3,4,5) If you question the elevator story, you are guilty of sexist behaviour.

7) If you 'legitimately'(?) argue against Rebecca Watson saying 'guys don't do that' then you question the elevator story.
8) If you're on the 'other side' but don't make rape threats or use slurs then you 'legitimately'(?) argue against Rebecca Watson saying 'guys don't do that'.

C) (6,7,8) Those on the 'other side' who don't make rape threats or use slurs are guilty of sexist behaviour.


I think it's unsound - I see no reason to believe premises 2, 7 or 8 are true.



The elevator story, as told by Rebecca, is part of a narrative that involved her:

1. Telling the audience of the conference that she didn't like and didn't want to be propositioned.
and,
2. Repeating the same point about not wanting to be propositioned to the group she was speaking to in the hotel bar.

The problem I have with this is really one of basic skepticism.
First, there is a video available that shows that point number 1 is simply untrue.
She didn't tell the audience that she doesn't want to be propositioned.
So, she is either deliberately lying about this point - or she doesn't have an accurate memory.
In either case this gives me reason to be skeptical about aspects of the remainder of her story.

I don't have any physical evidence that she did complain about getting propositioned to the people in the bar - but what the hell, I'll assume it is a distinct possibility - however I don't see why I should also assume that the guy in question heard her say this. Remember, she claims he was on the edge of the group.
He might not have heard that particular statement, or, alternatively, he might not have thought what he was doing was propositioning her.

In any case, some degree of skepticism (about the sequence of events or the intent of the guy) is deserved.

For the record, if someone did approach her in this way, it does sound creepy, in my opinion.
But it would also sound creepy for a strange woman to approach a man in this way. Or for a strange woman to approach a woman. Or a strange man to approach a man.
It is the action of the individual that is the problem, not the genders of the participants.
I have seen more specific complaints of women making unwanted approaches at conferences towards other attendees (both male and female) than I have of specific incidences of men making unwanted approaches.

To twist the situation into purely one of misogyny - (by which I guess they mean men in general acting in sexist ways towards women in general) denies any element of agency on the part of women themselves and is actually a sexist way of looking at the situation.
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Postby Michael K Gray » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:27 am  •  [Post 2643]


Thank you sir.
Eucliwood wrote:decius, ... I'm not kidding about having to be in the presence of FBI workers before. I'm tired of your shit, though, so it might be worth it to wail victim and actually embrace it. YOU'RE the only one in any danger of landing in trouble, using honey pot insults against me. That is so old.


And that is your idea of a credible "Threatening Legal Action"?!?!?!
I would larf out out loud if your claim weren't so utterly & truly pathetic. (As well as completely bogus, and just plain wrong!)
I have underlined the only plausible "threat", and it weaker than the playground taunts that I used to get when 7.
"My dad is tougher than your dad" kind of "threat" level.
Where was Eu "threatening" you with legal action in that post?
I'll give you a hint: Nowhere but in your imagination.
The one thing that I can now completely agree with Eucliwood on is her prescient:
Eucliwood wrote:so it might be worth it to wail victim and actually embrace it

A+ seems to be rubbing off some of their magic victim phrase-changing pixie-dust on you.

Decius:- Get in the fecking sack with Benson and all the other faux panty-wetting fainters.
Your complaints of Eu "threatening with legal action" are just as fictitious as Benson's "death threats" from a well-wisher, if not MORE SO!
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Postby Jan Steen » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:29 am  •  [Post 2644]

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Postby decius » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:31 am  •  [Post 2645]

Michael K Gray wrote:Decius:- Get in the fecking sack with Benson and all the other faux panty-wetting fainters.
Your complaints of Eu "threatening with legal action" are just as fictitious as Benson's "death threats" from a well-wisher, if not MORE SO!


Really? I think you should read also the previous couple of posts concerning porn and s/h/it being a minor.
You could also checke my complete lack of concern in the posts that followed. If you manage to see through the haze of your spittle, that is.

Incidentally, this is what led to Eucliwood's muzzling and the consensus was that she was threatening to trump up accusation and involve the feds.
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Postby Michael K Gray » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:37 am  •  [Post 2646]

Dick Strawkins wrote:In any case, some degree of skepticism (about the sequence of events or the intent of the guy) is deserved.

For the record, if someone did approach her in this way, it does sound creepy, in my opinion.
But it would also sound creepy for a strange woman to approach a man in this way. Or for a strange woman to approach a woman. Or a strange man to approach a man.
It is the action of the individual that is the problem, not the genders of the participants.
I have seen more specific complaints of women making unwanted approaches at conferences towards other attendees (both male and female) than I have of specific incidences of men making unwanted approaches.

As far as I am concerned, the event NEVER happened, and EGuy is a confabulation.
Reasons?
Her ever-changing and ever more elaborate narratives that utterly conflicted with each other to the point of impossibility, and conflicted with the physical reality of such a short lift-ride to an huge extent.
Now that we learn that she was primed with the fictional narrative the night before by travelling in that very lift to her room ith some male colleagues only adds further (superfluous) weight to that notion.
On top of that, the ethanol-soaked and exhausted mind is very prone to quite ludicrously impossible confabulations that the afflicted can swear black & blue actually occurred.

EG is a confabulated fiction, beyond all reasonable doubt.
To give RW the benefit of the doubt is to be anti-scientific, and anti-forensic.
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Postby Jonathan » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:40 am  •  [Post 2647]

Michael K Gray wrote:
decius wrote:The keyword was FBI.

viewtopic.php?p=52513#p52513

Thank you sir.
Eucliwood wrote:decius, ... I'm not kidding about having to be in the presence of FBI workers before. I'm tired of your shit, though, so it might be worth it to wail victim and actually embrace it. YOU'RE the only one in any danger of landing in trouble, using honey pot insults against me. That is so old.


And that is your idea of a credible "Threatening Legal Action"?!?!?!
I would larf out out loud if your claim weren't so utterly & truly pathetic. (As well as completely bogus, and just plain wrong!)
I have underlined the only plausible "threat", and it weaker than the playground taunts that I used to get when 7.
"My dad is tougher than your dad" kind of "threat" level.
Where was Eu "threatening" you with legal action in that post?
I'll give you a hint: Nowhere but in your imagination.
The one thing that I can now completely agree with Eucliwood on is her prescient:
Eucliwood wrote:so it might be worth it to wail victim and actually embrace it

A+ seems to be rubbing off some of their magic victim phrase-changing pixie-dust on you.

Decius:- Get in the fecking sack with Benson and all the other faux panty-wetting fainters.
Your complaints of Eu "threatening with legal action" are just as fictitious as Benson's "death threats" from a well-wisher, if not MORE SO!


More of the quote can be found here.
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]skeptical enquiry[/spoiler]

Postby Michael K Gray » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:52 am  •  [Post 2648]

decius wrote:
Michael K Gray wrote:Decius:- Get in the fecking sack with Benson and all the other faux panty-wetting fainters.
Your complaints of Eu "threatening with legal action" are just as fictitious as Benson's "death threats" from a well-wisher, if not MORE SO!


Really? I think you should read also the previous couple of posts concerning porn and s/h/it being a minor.
You could also checke my complete lack of concern in the posts that followed. If you manage to see through the haze of your spittle, that is.

Incidentally, this is what led to Eucliwood's muzzling and the consensus was that she was threatening to trump up accusation and involve the feds.

I sought evidence of you being "threatened with legal action" by Eucliwood.
You gave me your best shot.
And failed utterly.
decius wrote:I think you should read also the previous couple of posts concerning porn and s/h/it being a minor.

I did that very thing.
Can still see zero evidence of Eucli "threatening legal action" against you.
Then you handily employ empty ad hominem against me, as though that might might render your bogus claim somehow true:
decius wrote:If you manage to see through the haze of your spittle


Then you move the goalposts:
decius wrote:Incidentally, this is what led to Eucliwood's muzzling and the consensus was that she was threatening to trump up accusation and involve the feds.

"the consensus"? When does unqualified 3rd party anonymous consensus constitute the verdict of "threatening legal action"? (Aprt from FfTB)
As for the "muzzling" of Eucliwood, that is a distinct issue, and unrelated to your claim the she "threatened you with legal action", which is obvious bollox, so why include it? Possibly because you don't have a case, perhaps.

Sheesh! Did you pen the FfTB operating manual?

I'll go away if you just admit the unvarnished naked truth: Eucliwood DID NOT threaten you with legal action.
OK?

Skeptical thinking in action here, folks.
It applies equally to BOTH sides.
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Postby decius » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:59 am  •  [Post 2649]

MKG, "threatening with legal action" was an example of a usage of to threat that doesn't imply the victim cowing - as you in another of your supreme mind-reading efforts - were ascribing to me.

I was trying to discuss something with LSuoma, following an incident he's well aware of. The incident involved trumped up false accusations, not legal action. You interjected and began to make demands as I were talking to you and to your pedantic and utterly odious Aspberger self. I was not.

Now fuck off, cunt.
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Postby Oneiros666 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:07 am  •  [Post 2650]

Michael K Gray wrote:
rayshul wrote:I'm up for free childcare at conventions. I wouldn't demand it or consider it as a "YAY WOMENZZZZ WIN" thing (it wouldn't benefit me any) but it's a "nice to have".

And it is intended to benefit PARENTS, for fux sake, not just XX chromosome breeders.
It is for Dad's and Grandparent's and Foster carers.
And I despise the OP's Libertarian assertion that if one "decides" to have offspring, one should be rich enough at all times to be able to farm them out to contract carers. Utterly unsympathetic & unrealistic codswallop to apply that condition to other people.
He might well have just have said as an extension: "I don't agree with paying for public pavement so that people in wheelchairs can get to conferences!".
He must be a Septic.


Hahaha. I don't know what a "Septic" is, but I assume it's an oh- so- clever wordplay of "Skeptic"/"septic"(as in sewer).

I didn't state anything about what the fucking State should do regarding having kids (I am in favour of state-sponsored kindergarten, if you want to know). I said what I think conference-organisers should do with the money I pay them for attendance. I think the following:

Awesome speakers and a nice dinner > free child care for poor people

Oh, it's not sympathetic? So fucking what. I didn't tell you to squirt your semen in a woman instead of wearing a condom or have your womb filled with sperm for then to not take the day after pill (or getting a goddamn abortion). That is your goddamn choice and you should live with the consequences. I pay for welfare and other goods through my tax- bill for your kids' various services and that's fine. But when it comes to privately funded arrangements such as cons and seminars; I have no fucking wish to fund your poorly thought out life- choices (i.e. free childcare). They can have child-care, but the ones who make use of that should pay for it themselves.
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Postby Michael K Gray » Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:19 am  •  [Post 2651]

decius wrote:MKG, "threatening with legal action" was an example of a usage of to threat that doesn't imply the victim cowing - as you in another of your supreme mind-reading efforts - were ascribing to me.

Fuck me with a fish-fork! You are infuriating.
At the very top of this page, you directly addressed ME, correcting your "threatened" with:
decius wrote:Substitute with a better verb. I think "threatened with legal action" doesn't imply panic, but whatever.

How is this "mind-reading" when you explicitly told ME that very phrase?
Christ-on-a-crutch!
decius wrote:I was trying to discuss something with LSuoma, following an incident he's well aware of. The incident involved trumped up false accusations, not legal action. You interjected and began to make demands as I were talking to you and to your pedantic and utterly odious Aspberger self. I was not.
Now fuck off, cunt.

Charming way to behave when you cannot support your assertions.
You explicitly addressed me.
Oh, and how dare I "make demands" that you provide evidence for your public claims, your royal highness!
You are sounding more and more like a Pharyngulite with every response.
decius wrote:utterly odious Aspberger self

If that ad hominem against involuntarily acquired characteristics is all you have by way of defence of your clearly bogus assertions, then you have lost credibility as a skeptic.

Like I said, into the feckin' sack along with PZ, Laden, Watson et alia.
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Postby Richard Dworkins » Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:20 am  •  [Post 2652]

Philip of Tealand wrote:
Richard Dworkins - I'm not entirely convinced by your post that Justin's actions have hampered his chances at the conference or talking about a cease fire twixt us and the Baboons - seriously, those people will attempt to find ANYTHING to make someone who disagrees with them or does not adhere to the overly hysteric Rules they seem to think are important about. They don't want to actually discuss any of their faults and they want to make it utterly impossible for the person who would go and discuss the subject of what is wrong between the Slymers and the Baboons.

Justin could say - and has been saying - any number of reasonable and non offensive things - they would fucking pillory him no matter what! Any of us could be sent to talk cease fire and we would still be the bastards.

Like Mykeru said, no matter how much time and trouble you go to in order to denounce this lot with evidence based reasoning, the fuckers can spout their bullshit and enough lazy people agree with them

Look at Shermer - I think he is actually quite a calm and reasonable chap - Ophelia would have us believe that he Nazified the Baboons - he went out of his way to show her that, in intricate detail, that actually, no, he hadn't said anything of the sort - "fuck that" say the Baboons, "you evil, racist, rapist misogynist" etc etc etc

They even have the gall to send out idiotic demands that before anything is discussed that we become like them before the discussion is had - what kind of level playing field is that???

Balls to them.


Hello Philip of Tealand.

To which post of mine are you referring? I have no recollection of ever suggesting any accommodation towards androphobes. In fact I'm pretty sure I've made it clear that they should be given not one iota of respect, they should be thankful that they have made such a fool of themselves to rise to our collective contempt rather than wallow beneath it.

Mind you I was half-cut an evening or two ago, so perhaps I did.
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Postby decius » Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:26 am  •  [Post 2653]

MKG, my original post began with "LSuoma, etc". You interjected demanded 500 euros for the privilege of a reply, then questioned my motives, ascribed fear to me and so on, demanded links which I would have provided in the first place HAD I BEEN TALKING TO YOU.

But I wasn't, cunt.
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Postby AnonymousCowherd » Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:29 am  •  [Post 2654]

Submariner wrote:
Or just being in the same room as a "device". :whistle:


Frankly, I feel slightly unnerved being on the same planet as a "device".
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Postby Phil_Giordana_FCD » Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:33 am  •  [Post 2655]

Cooking beef stew.

Whadya mean, "it's not tweeter"???
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Postby rayshul » Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:33 am  •  [Post 2656]

Michael K Gray wrote:
rayshul wrote:I'm up for free childcare at conventions. I wouldn't demand it or consider it as a "YAY WOMENZZZZ WIN" thing (it wouldn't benefit me any) but it's a "nice to have".

And it is intended to benefit PARENTS, for fux sake, not just XX chromosome breeders.
It is for Dad's and Grandparent's and Foster carers.

Originally, when the subject first came up, I admit it took me a few minutes to parse why free childcare would be a "woman's" issue as most women I know with sproggins are, like me, not the primary caregiver - but that does seem to have been the narrative around it. Women get childcare so they don't have to stay home! Yay! Feminism.
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Postby AnonymousCowherd » Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:36 am  •  [Post 2657]

cunt wrote:Hah! There's got to be a tipping point pretty soon where the slymepit has more A+ members than A+ does.

Message to the moderators there. Message to FTB.

3ayloXq_w9Y


If you mean nominal members, we have a way to go. If you mean active members, I think we passed that tipping point some time ago. It's the first number that's confusing the A+ers.
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Postby Philip of Tealand » Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:41 am  •  [Post 2658]

Richard Dworkins wrote:
Philip of Tealand wrote:
Richard Dworkins - I'm not entirely convinced by your post that Justin's actions have hampered his chances at the conference or talking about a cease fire twixt us and the Baboons - seriously, those people will attempt to find ANYTHING to make someone who disagrees with them or does not adhere to the overly hysteric Rules they seem to think are important about. They don't want to actually discuss any of their faults and they want to make it utterly impossible for the person who would go and discuss the subject of what is wrong between the Slymers and the Baboons.

Justin could say - and has been saying - any number of reasonable and non offensive things - they would fucking pillory him no matter what! Any of us could be sent to talk cease fire and we would still be the bastards.

Like Mykeru said, no matter how much time and trouble you go to in order to denounce this lot with evidence based reasoning, the fuckers can spout their bullshit and enough lazy people agree with them

Look at Shermer - I think he is actually quite a calm and reasonable chap - Ophelia would have us believe that he Nazified the Baboons - he went out of his way to show her that, in intricate detail, that actually, no, he hadn't said anything of the sort - "fuck that" say the Baboons, "you evil, racist, rapist misogynist" etc etc etc

They even have the gall to send out idiotic demands that before anything is discussed that we become like them before the discussion is had - what kind of level playing field is that???

Balls to them.


Hello Philip of Tealand.

To which post of mine are you referring? I have no recollection of ever suggesting any accommodation towards androphobes. In fact I'm pretty sure I've made it clear that they should be given not one iota of respect, they should be thankful that they have made such a fool of themselves to rise to our collective contempt rather than wallow beneath it.

Mind you I was half-cut an evening or two ago, so perhaps I did.
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Postby Notung » Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:42 am  •  [Post 2659]

Dick Strawkins wrote:The problem I have with this is really one of basic skepticism.


Yep, my point was really to say that it's not necessarily that someone doubts the elevator story that they might disagree with 'guys don't do that'. They may just disagree with the moral pronouncement that followed it (i.e. 'guys don't do that' itself).

They may not even disagree with that. For instance, their reason for being on 'this side' of elevatorgate might be the ad hominems against McGraw or Dawkins.

Or perhaps they're fine with that but not ok with things that happened later - like libelling monopod camera man, etc, or just the fact that anyone who disagrees is portrayed as some sort of MRA terrorist.

So really what I'm saying is that Lousy Canuck's argument doesn't get off the ground!
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Postby Philip of Tealand » Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:42 am  •  [Post 2660]

Oh arse!

viewtopic.php?p=57853#p57853

Sorry Richard, I do that again, with proper links!!

Forgive me if I got the wrong end of the stick! :D
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Postby BarnOwl » Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:47 am  •  [Post 2661]

Oneiros666 wrote:Hahaha. I don't know what a "Septic" is, but I assume it's an oh- so- clever wordplay of "Skeptic"/"septic"(as in sewer).

I didn't state anything about what the fucking State should do regarding having kids (I am in favour of state-sponsored kindergarten, if you want to know). I said what I think conference-organisers should do with the money I pay them for attendance. I think the following:

Awesome speakers and a nice dinner > free child care for poor people

Oh, it's not sympathetic? So fucking what. I didn't tell you to squirt your semen in a woman instead of wearing a condom or have your womb filled with sperm for then to not take the day after pill (or getting a goddamn abortion). That is your goddamn choice and you should live with the consequences. I pay for welfare and other goods through my tax- bill for your kids' various services and that's fine. But when it comes to privately funded arrangements such as cons and seminars; I have no fucking wish to fund your poorly thought out life- choices (i.e. free childcare). They can have child-care, but the ones who make use of that should pay for it themselves.


Septic = American, in rhyming slang. Septic tank = Yank = USAian.

IIRC you're Norwegian? Don't think there's rhyming slang for Norwegians ... those of your nationality have to earn the ire, disdain, and/or prejudice of the English, to achieve rhyming slang "status."

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Postby AnonymousCowherd » Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:49 am  •  [Post 2662]

Michael K Gray wrote:
AnonymousCowherd wrote:I'm a little suspicious of "accomodationist" style moves to patch everything up, in part because the first thing under the bus is "extremists", but more because you can't decide between two moral/ethical/subjective/value laden/policy positions on the basis of evidence and reasoned debate (Hume was right).

Their are two main approaches,
1) The accomodationist one, for which the outcome reigns supreme, even at the expense of honesty & truth.
2) The absolutist one, for which the truth reigns supreme, irrespective of any short-term damage to fee-fees.

I am squarely and firmly in the second camp.


Me too.

In case it isn't clear, that "litle suspicious" was irony, not transient Steersmania.
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Postby Richard Dworkins » Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:50 am  •  [Post 2663]

Ah I see you've confused me with the tameless Dick Strawkins.

Wrong stick entirely I'm afraid. No forgiveness necessary.
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Re: Now sponsored by [spoiler]my dick[/spoiler]

Postby Mykeru » Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:00 am  •  [Post 2664]

justinvacula wrote:The fundraiser launched to help send me to the upcoming Women in Secularism 2 conference has reached its goal thanks to 24 generous donors who, in total, contributed $1500 with 28 days remaining for the project!

http://skepticink.com/justinvacula/2013 ... -goal-met/

Thanks to all of those whom Stephanie Zvan apparently wants me to renounce...helping to send the 'wrong man' to the Women in Secularism 2 conference can surely now be added to list of horrible things about this community/forum.


Now, remember my prediction here.

Everyone knew that Melody Hensley, et. al. would put out feelers to determine the best way to block your attendance, even thought it would be the stupidest thing they could do. They just can't help being petty.

Now that you have met your goal, they will still block your attendance but in a way to

1. Maximize drama, playing victim and working the threat narrative.

2. Block you at the door, metaphorically if not literally (see #1). This will also serve to waste your time and cause you to expend funds. The goal, being petty, would not be served by turning you away before you left. This way you get all the time, trouble, expense, the TSA anal search, bad airplane food, lost luggage, a big freaking hole in your wallet and get turned away regardless.

Place your bets.
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Postby AnonymousCowherd » Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:06 am  •  [Post 2665]

nippletwister wrote:
I really and truly want to see skepticism applied to everything that idiots like Adam Lee and the FTB crowd accept as gospel. I would pay money to see an honest, well-prepped debate on the testable claims made by feminist theorists. I would love to see empirical research on feminist theories of gendered violence and gender issues. I would love to see large, well-designed, nationwide polls on what most women REALLY think about gender equality and discrimination. I would love to see a thorough examination of the sexism problem in the macrocosm of secular societies, and the microcosm of skeptic conferences.

Unfortunately, I know that not one of these dishonest douchebags has any desire to see these things happen. Because if you're not a professional victim looking for offense everywhere, or drumming up drama by making dubious accusations, the personal day-to-day experience of most people puts the lie to all this horseshit pretty quickly. You have to literally deny the evidence of your own life to buy into it.


That's the thing. You could take those conditions of Adam Lee's and, with small changes to the wording (or, in some places, no changes at all) and accept them. The FTBs would be horrified at the result. Applying the demands to "people" instead of just "women" and taking the demand for "talks that apply skepticism to entrenched powr differences in society that disproportionally harm [people]", they'd be aghast to see their claims exposed to it as well. But, of course, that's not possible, because their claims are always right and the kinds of arguents you can use are restricted to the ones they allow and even attempting to use one of those makes you a Bad Person and therefore wrong.

Why do FtBers not see people as people?
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