Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

[Gefan]

From afar, Kim Kong Un observes "Donglegate"...

http://anony.ws/i/2013/03/21/oBeEx.gif

[Gefan]

Arguably, that should have read; "Kim Jong Un". Then again, look at the size of that fat bastard...

[welch]

Here are my thoughts on Donglegate - The Match That Lit Donglegate http://karlaporter.com/social-media/the ... donglegate

I have to giggle about the "keep it workplace safe" thing. Because oh dear, that is such a wide range of options. (keep in mind, I'm the ODD one at work for not having a minifridge full of booze.)

[welch]

The Bovarchist slyme has been scraped off my shoe and deposited in the lymepit, where it belongs.

I thought referring to people as "it" was a Real Bad Thing? Once again, PZ makes the rules up as he goes.

the rules only apply to SPs

[CommanderTuvok]

I would love to know what Benson, Watson, Christina, et al, think of EBW's treatment at the hands of The Horde.

[Karmakin]

They're probably keeping silent, and for good reason.

[Eskarina]

The Sentence:

FreezePage_Adria Richards did everything_20130323-094335.png

Upon reading this, I pictured a medieval setting, kind of like Hollywood Robin Hood - Errol Flynn era, with Myers sitting on his throne surrounded by his sycophants. He makes his lolzy remark, twirling his moustache or stroking his craggly beard, the sycophants duly laugh and you know, you KNOW that the movie is not going to end well for him.

[bovarchist]

The Bovarchist slyme has been scraped off my shoe and deposited in the lymepit, where it belongs.

I thought referring to people as "it" was a Real Bad Thing? Once again, PZ makes the rules up as he goes.

I saw that. I feel...like my humanity has been denied! -sniff- Explain again how it's not fair to compare FTBullies to Nazis?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BGD0fuTCMAAdjuf.jpg

[jg64]

The other Oolon.

I don't know if he's from the UK though or if he's the same one from Talk Rational:

http://ooloncolluphid42.wordpress.com/2 ... out-there/

They say there is another guy with the same username as me out there

I learned something from the recent wfp+(white female privilege plus aka atheism plus) debacle. I am indeed the author of the definition on Urban Dictionary. I could have done worse and added more race baiting language like I just did.

Apparently this guy is some femi moron who goes by just Oolon. My user name comes from a book by the great late author Douglas Adams of The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy . My user handle is coined after a character that he created named Oolon Colluphid, and the author of books on using the Babel fish to disprove god. I have no idea who this other moron is.

Apologies to Oloon, then. They live within 20 miles of each other, as this one says he is from Southampton UK. How odd to have 2 Oloons who are atheists that close to each other. (Southampton is the largest city in the County of Hampshire).

A bunch of frauds. Despite having atheist in its name it really isn't atheism at all. Their goal is to subvert atheism with the religion of feminist indoctrination and bitch about non existent misogyny.

To these people any legitimate questioning of feminists and female privilege is grounds for calling anyone a misogynist. Atheism Plus is really nothing more then an attempt at co-opting the meaning of atheism.
Atheism Plus is nothing more than dogmatic feminists trying to commandeer the atheist movement. This will set back Atheism for decades if these usurpers gain popularity.

[Eskarina]

The Sentence:

FreezePage_Adria Richards did everything_20130323-094335.png

Upon reading this, I pictured a medieval setting, kind of like Hollywood Robin Hood - Errol Flynn era, with Myers sitting on his throne surrounded by his sycophants. He makes his lolzy remark, twirling his moustache or stroking his craggly beard, the sycophants duly laugh and you know, you KNOW that the movie is not going to end well for him.

Ooops, I was referring to PZ' remark that:

The Bovarchist slyme has been scraped off my shoe and deposited in the lymepit, where it belongs.

Hi Bovarchist, BTW, and fuck off. :)

[welch]

I would love to know what Benson, Watson, Christina, et al, think of EBW's treatment at the hands of The Horde.

Heh...you won't see a fucking word about it. No one crosses PeeZus. Ask McCreight about that shit.


(Of course, now, if they remain silent, we're right. If they say anything, it's just to prove us wrong. I love this shit.)

[jg64]

Not sure what happened above, but I wanted to say apologies to Oloon. Who'd have thunk that 2 atheist Oloon's lived within 20 miles of each other (Southampton is the largest city in Hampshire).

[agarybuseychristmas]

I would love to know what Benson, Watson, Christina, et al, think of EBW's treatment at the hands of The Horde.

Heh...you won't see a fucking word about it. No one crosses PeeZus. Ask McCreight about that shit.


(Of course, now, if they remain silent, we're right. If they say anything, it's just to prove us wrong. I love this shit.)

Whatever happened with that anyway?

[bovarchist]

Thank you all, and I consider myself well-fucked.

[John Greg]

Welchy said (http://www.slymepit.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... 778#p78778):

I have to giggle about the "keep it workplace safe" thing. Because oh dear, that is such a wide range of options.

No shit. And that is, for me, anyway, one of the ongoing confusions, in that most of the FfTB universe, and Skepchick and A+, seem utterly incapable of understanding, let alone even perceiving, that simple basic of reality: Not all people view the world in the same way regardless of similar or dissimilar experience, and that makes nobody wrong; differences abound.

[welch]

I would love to know what Benson, Watson, Christina, et al, think of EBW's treatment at the hands of The Horde.

Heh...you won't see a fucking word about it. No one crosses PeeZus. Ask McCreight about that shit.


(Of course, now, if they remain silent, we're right. If they say anything, it's just to prove us wrong. I love this shit.)

Whatever happened with that anyway?

She put up a silly little poll for her readers, and PeeZus had his fuckwits crash it because he didn't like one of the fucking questions and internet polls suck, and he's a raging doucheface.

Jen was (legitimately) pissed off and told him so. Suddenly, a little while later, oh she's apologizing for overreacting, and it's all fine, just some mischief between friends, nothing to see here, move along, PeeZus did nothing wrong, we're walking, we're walking...

[free thoughtpolice]

From: freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2013/03/21/a-reminder/comment-page-1/#comment-584374
http://www.scentednectar.com/slimepit/00017.png

PZ just can't resist the ass-rape with a knife references. Personally, it's obvious to me that this is not a real rape/death threat. It's just PZ trying to sound tough. If someone else however, had said that directed to any feminists, they'd have been screaming and blogging about getting rape, torture, and death threats.

They're self-defeating hypocrites in a jail of their own making. By insisting on all kinds of speech censoring of others, they have no choice but to (at least publicly) hold themselves to those same standards. PZ failed again. It's easy to fail like that when he's built such an ideological wall around himself. Glass houses, stones, etc.

PZ is using the term flense in that quote, which is how whalers use long knives to cut the blubber off whales.
Seems to me he's making a subtle crack about Melissa Mc Ewan's weight.
That's violent fat shaming! :o

[Jan Steen]

http://i.imgur.com/LMKNl6E.jpg

[Tigzy]

Benson. Being 'inconsistent' again:

[Shermer]seems to be furious simply because some underling had the gall to criticize him – as if he were beyond or above criticism...Shermer however genuinely does seem to think that “prominence” should confer immunity to challenge. After he mentions the putative purge of “such prominent advocates as Richard Dawkins and Sam Harris” he says that “I have stayed out of this witch hunt against our most prominent leaders.” Our what? Whose “leaders”? I don’t recall joining any army, or even a party. I don’t consider Dawkins and Harris my “leaders”; I don’t consider anyone that.

No, I’m sorry, that won’t do. I’m not going to bend the knee to “our most prominent leaders” and I’m not going to refrain from criticizing them and go looking for less prominent people to dispute.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterflies ... issionary/

But Ophelia...what if Shermer asks you to leave him alone? What if he says he thinks that you're taking it too far, and it feels like you are harassing him? What then, Ophie? What will you do?

[windy]

spectator just commented on one of the older threads at Nugent's:

http://www.michaelnugent.com/2013/03/03 ... -internet/

#721 spectator March 23, 2013 at 12:04 pm

Wowbagger never apologized to me. I’m supposed to go digging through the comments of another post? What kind of apology is that? Apologizing to the people who called you out on your nastiness and never to the person you abused?
For the record, Wowbagger has NOT apologized to me. If Justin had not blogged about this dialogue with a blogger I don’t follow, I would have never been aware that you’re now claiming to have apologized.
YOU HAVEN’T APOLOGIZED TO YOUR VICTIM YOU JERK!

[Percentage]

Peez actually has a pretty good post up, about the applications of philosophy to science:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ilosopher/

He's right. It's times like these that remind me that PZ is actually a PhD, a professor of biology, and basically an intelligent guy. Unfortunately posts like this have been drowned out in his daily dose of hysterical SJW horseshit. The guy should stick to what he knows.

[Dilurk]

Peez actually has a pretty good post up, about the applications of philosophy to science:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ilosopher/

He's right. It's times like these that remind me that PZ is actually a PhD, a professor of biology, and basically an intelligent guy. Unfortunately posts like this have been drowned out in his daily dose of hysterical SJW horseshit. The guy should stick to what he knows.

I miss the old PZ.

[justinvacula]

Tonight's episode of Brave Hero Radio with Karla Porter, Justicar Thelatest and yours truly is at 8PM Eastern -- tune in live, join the chat, and call in to add your voice to the discussion!

http://www.skepticink.com/justinvacula/ ... hjusticar/

Dongles will be discussed :p

[Dilurk]

I saw the post where EBW was upset. Folks, I've been on the Internet a long time, and I learned that one must never ever let some stupid arsehole several thousand Km away from you to interfere in your RL. If things are getting shitty, turn the damn computer off and go for a walk.

It's what I told Blu, it's what I told Benson a few posts ago. It's the fscking Internet, not real life. Go talk to your gf,bf, wife, a friend or something. Go for a walk around the block.

That is all.

Now fuck you all.

[Michael J]

The Sentence:

FreezePage_Adria Richards did everything_20130323-094335.png

Upon reading this, I pictured a medieval setting, kind of like Hollywood Robin Hood - Errol Flynn era, with Myers sitting on his throne surrounded by his sycophants. He makes his lolzy remark, twirling his moustache or stroking his craggly beard, the sycophants duly laugh and you know, you KNOW that the movie is not going to end well for him.

I think its already happening. I think that the McEwan episode shows that PZ has turned from a Prophet to "White Guy on permanent probation" because the real radfems aren't ever going to 100 percent trust him. I'm sure that if some of the real radfems saw that video of PZ making passes to a woman on stage then I think that he would be toast. I think that he has used up his "It's alright when I do it" credit.

Also even if her friends want to remain quiet, I don't think that EBW is the type to just let it rest and I see that the baboons are going to split into pro-PZ and anti-PZ factions.

[Wonderist]

I, for one, enjoy reading Wonderist's posts.

Me too. I am averse to clicking links so it's nice to read it in the post.

I'm a bit with John Greg on this. Wonderist, I appreciate what you are doing and admire your apparent energy, dedication, and good will. I bristle a bit at the constant "coaching" and am slightly bemused by your apparent self-image as the 'Pit's PR Evangelist.

Thanks for the constructive negative criticism, Apples. :-)

If you could provide specific examples of 'coaching' that bristle you, that would help a lot. Instead of wading through past posts, just, next time you get bristled, quote it and point it out.

I actually am very aware of how my writing can sound pedantic (heard that many times), and had you met me years ago, you would probably just killfiled me right away rather than point it out. :-) I do try to 'tighten it up', but I have to balance that with the flip-side of that which is self-censorship and over-done meekness which waters down the points I'm trying to make. Like that guy (Milton?) in Office Space, with the stapler. I'm sick of being a Milton. "Um, could you please... with the religion... um, I'm just trying... trying to live my life in peace. They said.. they said if we just ignore religion .. it would go away.... Um, no... I am not a devil worshipper... " :doh:

Same here. I've been watching a lot, I know what's been going on, and I've had a lot to say, but have been slow in developing it, because I needed to make sure I would be heard when I said it. So now I'm saying it.

Let me remind you, in case you're not yet aware. I've been saying the exact same basic thing since my first comments about ElevatorGate. Same thing. The same freaking message. Censored.

Now that I've spent about a year and a half building up my case with evidence that I know what the fuck I'm talking about, I'm a little bit, shall we say, 'not moved' by a generic comment that I'm being too 'coachy'. If people had been willing to listen early on, we wouldn't even be in this mess today, IMNSHO. I'm totally willing to look at specific examples and see if I can make what I say more palatable, but without specifics, I really don't have much to go on.

Repeat: I know it can sound pedantic and arrogant. I've been trying to improve that. But I'm not going to just 'move over there, please' because some people are expressing *generic* discomfort with hearing what I have to say. Why don't *you* just 'move over there'? And I don't mean that literally, just as a 'sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander' counter-example. One more time, since it's likely to get misunderstood: I am willing to look at specific cases and try to improve; just not really much I can do about generic 'don't like it' responses, except to just 'shut up', which I'm not willing to do anymore. Kinda like gnu atheism, actually.

Not everyone has the same goals or purposes here or sees this place as a war room whose purpose is to strategize about rhetorical techniques and the long-term future of the "movement." Some people don't give a shit about arguing with/talking to the "other side" at all and are just here for the lulz.

Sure. But not everyone is here for *just* for the lulz. I've been reading the pit off and on since EG, and especially since TAM-gate and Upskirt-gate. I have *never* read the pit 'just for the lulz'. Sure, there are lulz. To me, that is secondary at best, probably tertiary even. So again, sauce for the goose.

Keep in mind that this thread is like a pub - lots of people popping in and out with different interests and priorities. I read and appreciate many of your posts and don't really care about length per se -- it only gets irritating when I see half a dozen posts within an hour or so which are cut-and-pastes of comments from Nugents (which I may have read 24 hours prior) with a long commentary from you and links to your favorite marketing books. It can start to feel very one-note.

And I happen to be one of the folks popping into the pub this time. And...? Some of the posts here irritate me too.

Here are some *additional* possibilities you might want to consider, instead of *just* a) killfile or b) get frustrated about it:

- You *could* (if you wanted to) ask me about specific things that seem out of place to you. For instance, "Why that book? Why do you keep pushing it?" rather than, "I don't like you pushing books." To the latter, I can only say, "Sorry to hear that." To the former, I could give you my reasoning, and maybe the 'one note' will turn into several more interesting notes. How do you know it won't, unless you give it a shot? There *are* several good reasons I keep pushing *that* particular book (and it's sequel, now available in paperback for a low low price).

- Alternatively, you could present a case why you think the book (or whatever issue is bugging you) is garbage, and I would engage you in that. Who knows, you might even convince me. I'm open to that possibility. Again, can't tell until you try.

Anyway - it's no big deal. I can use kill-file, after all (though that wouldn't really benefit either of us).

What would benefit me in terms of feedback is more specifics. Quotes, reasoning about it, etc. If you make a good point, I'll adopt it as best I can.

Possible suggestion which would achieve something of the wiki idea: start a thread for that class of posts -- where you are pasting someone's Nugent post and analyzing it -- "Wonderist's guide to foundational wonderism and healing the deep rifts with critical commentary and advice for the troops." When you have a new one to add, drop a link to it here at the main thread with a brief description. Then they're all in one place, won't get lost in the flow, and the discussion about them can be more focused and proceed at whatever pace people can handle.

Or not. Whatever.

I have indeed considered that, before I started replying to Nugent's stuff here at all. My reasoning for not doing that in the first place: It's basically self-censorship. The pit is, for all intents and purposes, a single stream of posts in a single thread. Everyone else gets to post here, why should *I* specifically be the one to walk off into the corner and talk to the wall? In my view *now is the critical time* in which we (those of us who want to get past the rifts, as Nugent's been suggesting) need to start getting our act together. To do that, we need to have some ideas on the table. So, here I am, putting my ideas on the table. It's basically brainstorming.

Another point to consider, which I've already mentioned, is that catching up to a thread like that, with hundreds of posts, which moves so quickly, I just *don't have time* to write up a summary of the post, and "Hey click on *this* link because you'll want to read it because such and such." That takes quite a bit of time, actually. I would never have a chance of *actually* catching up. "I would have written a shorter letter, but I did not have the time." ~ Pascal

One bright spot, though, is that Nugent's threads have died down and my catch up won't last much longer. I'm almost done his A proposed agenda thread, and I don't intend to do the rape prevention thread, as that's about a specific issue, and I'm more interested in the 'meta' stuff like process and principles. I will do my best to finish up as quick as possible. With luck I'll be done tonight.

I hope this didn't come off as dismissive of your feedback. I certainly do appreciate it. But aside from self-censorship, I don't have enough specifics to know what changes I could make that would satisfy your 'bristling'. I welcome any further negative feedback, though, especially if it has something specific to go on, like a quote.

[clownshoe]

"The one where the swear jar got filled up"
The New Full Frontal Zealotry podcast is out:
http://everdense.com/ffz/archives/188

[John Brown]

I'm just going to leave this here:

http://www.dailylife.com.au/news-and-vi ... 2gfx0.html

Here are five reasons why feminists should try to eliminate meat:

1. Eating meat is associated with male power in its most vile and repugnant forms.

In a logic that sounds positively mystical, real men, we are told, should be physically strong and virile, which means killing and eating strong animals.

This is why cookbooks aimed at men focus on the barbecue. Anything less might turn them into gay homosexual fops. For instance, the Newtown killer used a rifle manufactured by a company called Bushmaster. Upon purchase, Bushmaster offers you a "man card" that is revoked if you're caught, among other things, "eating tofu". Why? Because real men eat meat. Sissies do not.

I think we are in a post Poe's Law world, ladies and gentlemen.

[JackSkeptic]

The Sentence:

FreezePage_Adria Richards did everything_20130323-094335.png

Upon reading this, I pictured a medieval setting, kind of like Hollywood Robin Hood - Errol Flynn era, with Myers sitting on his throne surrounded by his sycophants. He makes his lolzy remark, twirling his moustache or stroking his craggly beard, the sycophants duly laugh and you know, you KNOW that the movie is not going to end well for him.

I think its already happening. I think that the McEwan episode shows that PZ has turned from a Prophet to "White Guy on permanent probation" because the real radfems aren't ever going to 100 percent trust him. I'm sure that if some of the real radfems saw that video of PZ making passes to a woman on stage then I think that he would be toast. I think that he has used up his "It's alright when I do it" credit.

Also even if her friends want to remain quiet, I don't think that EBW is the type to just let it rest and I see that the baboons are going to split into pro-PZ and anti-PZ factions.

Quite a few of the comments on the McEwan blog were patronising him by saying as he is a white, cis male he would never understand and that is why he made a mistake. He will never be accepted. They think of him like a small boy who swore without understanding the meaning. So they tell him off gently and give him a nice pat on the head. Many SJW's are by their nature racist and sexist, just they have invented a whole philosophy to try and show the opposite.

Of course no one said his comments make sense in the context he made them. It was not even considered.

[Wild Zontargs]

I'm just going to leave this here:

http://www.dailylife.com.au/news-and-vi ... 2gfx0.html

Here are five reasons why feminists should try to eliminate meat:

[snip nonsense]

The very first thing that popped into my head:
https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3282/285 ... 398a30.jpg

Seriously, I've heard all sorts of arguments for and against vegetarianism, but this has got to be the stupidest fucking one yet. "MEAT IS TEH PATRIARCHY!!!11one" You honestly expect anyone who isn't an SJW nutter to take that seriously?

[Dilurk]

I saw the post where EBW was upset. Folks, I've been on the Internet a long time, and I learned that one must never ever let some stupid arsehole several thousand Km away from you to interfere in your RL. If things are getting shitty, turn the damn computer off and go for a walk.

It's what I told Blu, it's what I told Benson a few posts ago. It's the fscking Internet, not real life. Go talk to your gf,bf, wife, a friend or something. Go for a walk around the block.

That is all.

Now fuck you all.

[Za-zen]

I'm going to do a Nugent, and attempt to nevotiate a nirvana like state of harmony between the warring parties.

Proposed pit rule:.

1; if you have a problem with a post of poster, skip it, or them.
2; if rule 1 does not solve your problem. Fuck off.

[clownshoe]

Catching up on the treatment of EBW.
Even though it's happening on parts of the 'net, where most of you are banned, somehow it's all the fault of the Slymepit.
Just wondering how you evil mastermind's did it?

[JackSkeptic]

I saw the post where EBW was upset. Folks, I've been on the Internet a long time, and I learned that one must never ever let some stupid arsehole several thousand Km away from you to interfere in your RL. If things are getting shitty, turn the damn computer off and go for a walk.

It's what I told Blu, it's what I told Benson a few posts ago. It's the fscking Internet, not real life. Go talk to your gf,bf, wife, a friend or something. Go for a walk around the block.

That is all.

Now fuck you all.

You posted this twice but what the hell:)

What's funny is people like Nerd of Redhead being presented with a clear and logical comment going nuts over it and *floosh* is his considered response. The vast majority did that, no content at all just insults.

That dump is 99% noise and 1% content.

If anyone lurking would like to know why many of us consider SJW's to be irrational and incapable of considering any opinion except their own or will turn on their own at the drop of a hat this is worth reading:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ent-585263

[John Brown]

I'm going to do a Nugent, and attempt to nevotiate a nirvana like state of harmony between the warring parties.

Proposed pit rule:.

1; if you have a problem with a post of poster, skip it, or them.
2; if rule 1 does not solve your problem. Fuck off.

Meh. Those back and forths can get tiresome, and it would probably be best if the parties involved shunted them off to another thread so they can argue interrupted, but they are not without merit. Argument for argument sake is a good thing.

[JackSkeptic]

I'm going to do a Nugent, and attempt to nevotiate a nirvana like state of harmony between the warring parties.

Proposed pit rule:.

1; if you have a problem with a post of poster, skip it, or them.
2; if rule 1 does not solve your problem. Fuck off.

Sorry I skipped your post, what was that again?


(PS: I don't have a problem so I 'floosh*. It's magic word that wins me the argument every time. Like voodoo or something)

[Za-zen]

I'm going to do a Nugent, and attempt to nevotiate a nirvana like state of harmony between the warring parties.

Proposed pit rule:.

1; if you have a problem with a post of poster, skip it, or them.
2; if rule 1 does not solve your problem. Fuck off.

Sorry I skipped your post, what was that again?


(PS: I don't have a problem so I 'floosh*. It's magic word that wins me the argument every time. Like voodoo or something)

Nobody skips my posts, i am the Oracle from which all knowledge flows. Some call me norovirus.

[nippletwister]

I'm just going to leave this here:

http://www.dailylife.com.au/news-and-vi ... 2gfx0.html

Here are five reasons why feminists should try to eliminate meat:

1. Eating meat is associated with male power in its most vile and repugnant forms.

In a logic that sounds positively mystical, real men, we are told, should be physically strong and virile, which means killing and eating strong animals.

This is why cookbooks aimed at men focus on the barbecue. Anything less might turn them into gay homosexual fops. For instance, the Newtown killer used a rifle manufactured by a company called Bushmaster. Upon purchase, Bushmaster offers you a "man card" that is revoked if you're caught, among other things, "eating tofu". Why? Because real men eat meat. Sissies do not.

I think we are in a post Poe's Law world, ladies and gentlemen.

This is where I feel like I've been watching history repeat itself in ever-widening spirals of batshittery. I know a lot of the SJW and feminist thought is fairly new to a lot of people, but I've been doing a good bit of the relevant reading for 20 years now. And while the social sciences do sometimes have valid ideas to offer, the community of authors, humanities departments, and women's studies/minority studies classes have been chock full o' nuts for decades.

It's a shame the author of this article couldn't even give a hat tip to the book she swiped the title of her piece from, I'm sure she's read it or is at least aware of it. Then again, internet SJW's are to scholarship like water is to fire, so maybe not.




Irrelevant anecdote.....although I've worked as a meat cutter, and BBQ all the time, I've only ever killed fish for food. My female SO has killed more animals for food than I ever have. I think she's oppressing me! HELP ME!!!!!! CALL THE POLICE!!!!!!

[karlaporter]

Here are my thoughts on Donglegate - The Match That Lit Donglegate http://karlaporter.com/social-media/the ... donglegate

I have to giggle about the "keep it workplace safe" thing. Because oh dear, that is such a wide range of options. (keep in mind, I'm the ODD one at work for not having a minifridge full of booze.)

I take it you don't have an HR department =). I counseled a Federal Inmate at Waymart, a short-timer with 3 years to go after serving 20+ years, on his resume and interview skills - he was preparing for release. He had been a Roofer, with the normal Friday cooler of beer on the bed of his truck, and a shotgun. He claimed to not remember what happened but in his drunkenness he killed a co-worker during an argument. There are such good reasons for company policy to "keep it workplace safe".

Call me workplace conservative and socially moderate. ;)

[Za-zen]

Anybody who wants to take my meat from me will have to run the risk of me throwing their ass on the grill and chomping down rump steak for dinner. There is a reason i have canines

[Submariner]

I'm just going to leave this here:

http://www.dailylife.com.au/news-and-vi ... 2gfx0.html

Here are five reasons why feminists should try to eliminate meat:

1. Eating meat is associated with male power in its most vile and repugnant forms.

In a logic that sounds positively mystical, real men, we are told, should be physically strong and virile, which means killing and eating strong animals.

This is why cookbooks aimed at men focus on the barbecue. Anything less might turn them into gay homosexual fops. For instance, the Newtown killer used a rifle manufactured by a company called Bushmaster. Upon purchase, Bushmaster offers you a "man card" that is revoked if you're caught, among other things, "eating tofu". Why? Because real men eat meat. Sissies do not.

I think we are in a post Poe's Law world, ladies and gentlemen.

This is what I thought of:

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[Dilurk]

Now she's stepped in it. [youtube]Sm1aUjzVz00[/youtube]

[nippletwister]

Here are my thoughts on Donglegate - The Match That Lit Donglegate http://karlaporter.com/social-media/the ... donglegate

I have to giggle about the "keep it workplace safe" thing. Because oh dear, that is such a wide range of options. (keep in mind, I'm the ODD one at work for not having a minifridge full of booze.)

I take it you don't have an HR department =). I counseled a Federal Inmate at Waymart, a short-timer with 3 years to go after serving 20+ years, on his resume and interview skills - he was preparing for release. He had been a Roofer, with the normal Friday cooler of beer on the bed of his truck, and a shotgun. He claimed to not remember what happened but in his drunkenness he killed a co-worker during an argument. There are such good reasons for company policy to "keep it workplace safe".

Call me workplace conservative and socially moderate. ;)

Sad, but interesting. I would bet that the larger culture and of course individual choices play a part in such things. I am familiar with a trucking company that had a full refrigerator "kegerator" in the shop for over thirty years with not one single serious injury, fight, at-fault accident, or dui the whole time. Their insurance provider finally caught wind of it and made them take it out sometime in the late 90's.
Of course, it was for after-work-only, but that rule got bent more than a few times. However, there were no loose cannons hired, and no culture of violence present, so no problems.

Workplace conservative is pretty much the only way things are done in most workplaces these days, thanks to a tiny handful of people doing really stupid shit. I still know several contractors who drink (moderately) on the job at times, but they are all self-employed, and so far, no murders or injuries.

[karlaporter]

Here are my thoughts on Donglegate - The Match That Lit Donglegate http://karlaporter.com/social-media/the ... donglegate

I have to giggle about the "keep it workplace safe" thing. Because oh dear, that is such a wide range of options. (keep in mind, I'm the ODD one at work for not having a minifridge full of booze.)

I take it you don't have an HR department =). I counseled a Federal Inmate at Waymart, a short-timer with 3 years to go after serving 20+ years, on his resume and interview skills - he was preparing for release. He had been a Roofer, with the normal Friday cooler of beer on the bed of his truck, and a shotgun. He claimed to not remember what happened but in his drunkenness he killed a co-worker during an argument. There are such good reasons for company policy to "keep it workplace safe".

Call me workplace conservative and socially moderate. ;)

Sad, but interesting. I would bet that the larger culture and of course individual choices play a part in such things. I am familiar with a trucking company that had a full refrigerator "kegerator" in the shop for over thirty years with not one single serious injury, fight, at-fault accident, or dui the whole time. Their insurance provider finally caught wind of it and made them take it out sometime in the late 90's.
Of course, it was for after-work-only, but that rule got bent more than a few times. However, there were no loose cannons hired, and no culture of violence present, so no problems.

Workplace conservative is pretty much the only way things are done in most workplaces these days, thanks to a tiny handful of people doing really stupid shit. I still know several contractors who drink (moderately) on the job at times, but they are all self-employed, and so far, no murders or injuries.

Personally, I think a couple of drinks is an OK way to wrap up the day or week. Usually, like you said, there isn't any problem. However, we have become such a litigious society, savvy companies are no longer choosing to burden the risk. That's why what I call "none of this and none of that" policies are in the handbook that grows thicker with each revision. A few years ago I was busy consulting on implementing social media policy and before that it was use of company and personal cell phones, and email.

[JackSkeptic]

Now she's stepped in it. [youtube]Sm1aUjzVz00[/youtube]

I hope she will be left alone to get on with her life.

[welch]

Here are my thoughts on Donglegate - The Match That Lit Donglegate http://karlaporter.com/social-media/the ... donglegate

I have to giggle about the "keep it workplace safe" thing. Because oh dear, that is such a wide range of options. (keep in mind, I'm the ODD one at work for not having a minifridge full of booze.)

I take it you don't have an HR department =). I counseled a Federal Inmate at Waymart, a short-timer with 3 years to go after serving 20+ years, on his resume and interview skills - he was preparing for release. He had been a Roofer, with the normal Friday cooler of beer on the bed of his truck, and a shotgun. He claimed to not remember what happened but in his drunkenness he killed a co-worker during an argument. There are such good reasons for company policy to "keep it workplace safe".

Call me workplace conservative and socially moderate. ;)

Oh we certainly do. They help schedule the beer carts

[JayTeeAitch]

I saw the post where EBW was upset. Folks, I've been on the Internet a long time, and I learned that one must never ever let some stupid arsehole several thousand Km away from you to interfere in your RL. If things are getting shitty, turn the damn computer off and go for a walk.

It's what I told Blu, it's what I told Benson a few posts ago. It's the fscking Internet, not real life. Go talk to your gf,bf, wife, a friend or something. Go for a walk around the block.

That is all.

Now fuck you all.

Whenever anyone makes a double post, I find myself reading the second one in the voice of Leslie Nielson:

[youtube]SmHeP9Sve48[/youtube]

[Guest]

Here are my thoughts on Donglegate - The Match That Lit Donglegate http://karlaporter.com/social-media/the ... donglegate

In the words of another blogger, who shall remain anonymous – there is so much wrong with this whole situation I could write a novel, but I just don’t have that kind of time.

oh noes, karla caught the regreta virus!!

[Corylus]

I hope this didn't come off as dismissive of your feedback. I certainly do appreciate it. But aside from self-censorship, I don't have enough specifics to know what changes I could make that would satisfy your 'bristling'. I welcome any further negative feedback, though, especially if it has something specific to go on, like a quote.

My feedback is neither positive or negative - just hopefully helpful. I read you a little while back talking about developing the term 'foundationalism'. As I am sure you know, this will make many people assume that you are getting all technical about epistemology. Not that this is an issue at all. Heh! It may be that getting all technical is the only way in which to approach epistemology. My brief feedback here is that you will need to very clearly state where you are taking this in a different direction than is currently the case. (If indeed that is what you are at).

Of course, one possible way would be to bring your epistemological concerns back into the real world. A pertinent area in which epistemology may not be sufficiently talked about is in the notion of rape culture. I actually am of the view that this is a useful concept in the places where is seems to exist. An example here related to the practice of child marriage in Yemem. It is heartbreaking and enraging in equal measure. You can easily show examples of where the holders of power (and a proportion of the populace) do not see very clear examples of rape (and conspiracy to facilitate rape) right under their noses. From the article:

"The problem is that al-Ahdel's position is upheld in Yemeni law. There are plenty of judges who support him and are unsympathetic [to Nujood]."

I want to rampage on that child's behalf, or at the very least, contribute to her school fees :(

Emotion aside however, my issue here is that, if you wish to talk about the presence of rape culture in the West, (as a first world feminist) there is not only an ontic question to be addressed. There is is also epistemological concern in that - if indeed it does exist in your own society - you have to tackle the question of how you, yourself, know about it. Of course, you could be an ethical and intellectual pioneer, but if you have heard about it in a classroom then this possibility of this is rather slim.

Hope this helps.

Unfortunately, trying to bring this level of abstraction into such an emotional concern is not an easy thing to do.

[Dilurk]

I saw the post where EBW was upset. Folks, I've been on the Internet a long time, and I learned that one must never ever let some stupid arsehole several thousand Km away from you to interfere in your RL. If things are getting shitty, turn the damn computer off and go for a walk.

It's what I told Blu, it's what I told Benson a few posts ago. It's the fscking Internet, not real life. Go talk to your gf,bf, wife, a friend or something. Go for a walk around the block.

That is all.

Now fuck you all.

Whenever anyone makes a double post, I find myself reading the second one in the voice of Leslie Nielson:

youtube SmHeP9Sve48 /youtube

I'm still scratching my head on how I managed it. Oh well, there is always a first time. Where's that edit and delete key?

[Guest]

You guys read this yet? Melissa McEwan made a list of "refutations" to arguments against Adria Richards, and they are hilarious.

http://www.shakesville.com/2013/03/a-fe ... qus_thread

I particularly like #3, where she basically says that Richards shouldn't have to go to the conference organizers because that would mean having to miss the presentation. Couldn't she have just gone to them afterwards?

[Dilurk]

Now she's stepped in it. youtube Sm1aUjzVz00 /youtube

I hope she will be left alone to get on with her life.

She has been doubling down on twitter.

It's very sad.

[windy]

Peez actually has a pretty good post up, about the applications of philosophy to science:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/ ... ilosopher/

He's right. It's times like these that remind me that PZ is actually a PhD, a professor of biology, and basically an intelligent guy. Unfortunately posts like this have been drowned out in his daily dose of hysterical SJW horseshit. The guy should stick to what he knows.

Yep, not a bad post, but I agree with Antiochus @5 that philosophy is not so relevant in this case. The ENCODE researchers just need to apply some basic principles from evolutionary genetics to see if their claims are plausible.

I miss the old PZ.

That can't be right, the old PZ was only welcoming to dudebros!

[Dilurk]

You guys read this yet? Melissa McEwan made a list of "refutations" to arguments against Adria Richards, and they are hilarious.

http://www.shakesville.com/2013/03/a-fe ... qus_thread

I particularly like #3, where she basically says that Richards shouldn't have to go to the conference organizers because that would mean having to miss the presentation. Couldn't she have just gone to them afterwards?

She had twitter in the audience on her phone. Could she not have sent a text to the organisers ?

[Gefan]

Day by day, the "baboon" moniker is becoming more appropriate.
I just realized that my reaction to their antics is quite similar to Rick Gervais' listening to Karl Pilkington reading "Monkey News" on the old radio show.

[JayTeeAitch]

I saw the post where EBW was upset. Folks, I've been on the Internet a long time, and I learned that one must never ever let some stupid arsehole several thousand Km away from you to interfere in your RL. If things are getting shitty, turn the damn computer off and go for a walk.

It's what I told Blu, it's what I told Benson a few posts ago. It's the fscking Internet, not real life. Go talk to your gf,bf, wife, a friend or something. Go for a walk around the block.

That is all.

Now fuck you all.

Whenever anyone makes a double post, I find myself reading the second one in the voice of Leslie Nielson:

youtube SmHeP9Sve48 /youtube

I'm still scratching my head on how I managed it. Oh well, there is always a first time. Where's that edit and delete key?

I wouldn't worry about it, it's nice to have Leslie reading to me but it did lose a bit of its gravitas on the second reading.

[Arya Stark]

I'm just going to leave this here:

http://www.dailylife.com.au/news-and-vi ... 2gfx0.html

Here are five reasons why feminists should try to eliminate meat:

1. Eating meat is associated with male power in its most vile and repugnant forms.

In a logic that sounds positively mystical, real men, we are told, should be physically strong and virile, which means killing and eating strong animals.

This is why cookbooks aimed at men focus on the barbecue. Anything less might turn them into gay homosexual fops. For instance, the Newtown killer used a rifle manufactured by a company called Bushmaster. Upon purchase, Bushmaster offers you a "man card" that is revoked if you're caught, among other things, "eating tofu". Why? Because real men eat meat. Sissies do not.

I think we are in a post Poe's Law world, ladies and gentlemen.

This is what I thought of:

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And you think that was crazy? Look at this....

[youtube]eZT1XatqEHE[/youtube]

[justinvacula]

I weigh in on Donglegate:

"Adria Richards did everything exactly wrong"
http://www.skepticink.com/justinvacula/ ... tly-wrong/

Tune in to Brave Hero Radio in an hour (8PM Eastern) for more discussion of this with Justicar --

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/bravehero/ ... thjusticar

http://i.imgur.com/EYmrJu0.png

[Southern]

As Rayshul said, it's a damn fine day to be a 'pitter.

Welcome to the motherfuckin jungle, EllenBeth! We'll leave the light on for ya, and help yourself to some crab juice.

http://i.imgur.com/qEuOH1X.jpg

Trying to catch up, but I can't let this pass. Rukia, please:

[youtube]M3gc849m46o[/youtube]

[ConcentratedH2O, OM]

Anybody who wants to take my meat from me will have to run the risk of me throwing their ass on the grill and chomping down rump steak for dinner. There is a reason i have canines

What breed are they?