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Post by Walter Ego »

ERV wrote: 176 pages.

I just bought the 9 year old a 240 page book.
From Amazon:
The God Delusion, Hardcover: 416 pages

God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything, Hardcover: 307 pages

The End of Faith (Sam Harris), Hardcover: 336 pages
Not to say a book has to be long to be good but three years late and only 176 pages? I suspect the manuscript was much longer and that was all that could be salvaged.

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Post by Gefan »

Scented Nectar wrote:
Gefan wrote:
Scented Nectar wrote: Police? It would have to be some sort of physical assault or at least someone physically blocking my way in attempt to force me to talk to them. However, I could see how people might want to report him as an ordinary street nuisance, like if he's constantly bugging the same women or staying in the same street/intersection approaching person after person. That could probably cause someone to call the police. Just like they would if someone kept trying to sell them used cars by approaching them on the street.
I wish he were standing at a intersection trying to pick up person after person, if only because I'd be encouraged to hope I might one day see something like that in person. If I were really lucky there'd be a nice cafe nearby where I could pull up a seat and order a glass of wine while I watched.
If it's a cafe with some tables out on the sidewalk, you might be able to hear the conversations too. :)
You understand my vision perfectly.

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From the author of one of the web's most popular science blogs, The Happy Atheist takes on religious fanaticism with all the gleeful disrespect it deserves. A small, fearless book that takes aim at big, stupid targets--and nails them.
"Gleeful disrespect?"

I can do that, Peez. Got some actual skeptical vids to do. Longing to do the definitive Dyatlov Pass video. But eventually I will have to get to this disingenuous shit.

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Hey, I just thought as I hit submit.

How about we review Peezus's book in video form and Google-bomb the fucker?

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ERV wrote:
Walter Ego wrote:
cunt wrote:At least 3 years too late. I'm surprised the publishers are even bothering at this point.
It's already being offered for sale on Amazon so PZ is committed to clean up the manuscript.

The Amazon blurb:
Release date: August 13, 2013

From the author of one of the web's most popular science blogs, The Happy Atheist takes on religious fanaticism with all the gleeful disrespect it deserves. A small, fearless book that takes aim at big, stupid targets--and nails them.

For the last several years, PZ Myers, writing the blog Pharyngula, has entertained millions of readers every month with his infectious love of evolutionary science and his equally infectious disdain for creationism, biblical literalism, "intelligent design" theory, and other products of godly illogic. While PZ does not accept the common atheist argument that religion necessarily makes people do evil, violent things, he does think that, most of the time, it makes them believe in the truly ridiculous--which is exactly what he skewers in this riotously funny book. In fact, The Happy Atheist is so outrageous, it's the only book about religion anyone should take seriously.

176 pages.

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I just bought the 9 year old a 240 page book.
It took him 6 years to write 176 pages. It took him 6 years to write 176 pages that was, according to himself, so filled with errors that when the editors sent it back to him it was "a wall of purple editor’s marks — just page after page of nits picked and wording/grammatical errors hacked into submission." Huh. Just to bury the point home. Richard Dawkins' book, the Selfish Gene, hardcover, is 352 pages. That was the first book he ever published. The book that put him on the map. Richard "the misogynist, sexist, racist, patriarchal white supremacist, 'does not care for my experience as an atheist woman'" Dawkins.

And then we have PZ Myers. Happy Atheist. 176 pages. Oh well.

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Post by Mr Danksworth »

Mykeru wrote:Hey, I just thought as I hit submit.

How about we review Peezus's book in video form and Google-bomb the fucker?
I don't even need to read it. His topic has already been done, by multiple people who are light years better than him. He has missed the "nu-atheist makes fun of religion' book train by a couple of years.

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Post by windy »

30 pages a year, 2 1/2 pages a month. He really had to s-t-r-a-a-a-i-n to squeeze that one out.
Heh, this thread is starting to sound like the (former) fans of GRRM who got tired of the six year gaps between books that turned out to be mostly filler. At least GRRM had already squeezed out a few decent books before the rot set in.

Now we just need Dawkins to jump in to the fray and explain how "PZ is not our bitch".

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Michael K Gray wrote:
sKepptiksowat wrote:Argument for edit button?
What do you think of Palestinian falafel? Baked by left-handed lesbian negresses with surgically repaired cleft-palates, who are on their day off from tearing down anti-rape posters with Stanley-knives that were used to circumcise sperm whales?
I've had Palestinian felafel. It's very good. They put french fries in it!

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Post by Zenspace »

Altair wrote:
Apples wrote: Is there an article? I was guessing this was about Novella's back-and-forth with Ophelia over at the Harriet Hall thread:

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/ind ... r-so-much/
Hmm, thanks for pointing it, Aratina's first tweet makes more sense after reading that. Off I go to read Novella's comments!
No back and forth that I can see. I don't agree with everything Novella says, but he makes a polite and well reasoned case in my limited reading of his writing so far. I find him to be well worth considering when he makes a statement. He posted a comment that I think pretty much everyone here would agree with (I think he comes down on Shermer a bit harder than he should given the over context of the conversation cited, but that is just my opinion). The comment was directed at OB's article on Shermer and he makes the points that we are mostly familiar with. I skimmed the entire comment area and find no response from Ophelia. Apparently, she knew she wasn't going to win that one, so only makes comments outside the forum. Novella's comment in its entirety:
# Steven Novella on 06 Feb 2013 at 9:56 am
Ophelia – I agree with the apparent consensus here. Michael’s comment was ill considered and pointless, inviting misinterpretation in an already controversial area. But I do think rational discourse requires charity in interpreting the statements of others.
Likewise – your characterization of what Michael said was ill-considered and invited misinterpretation, in my opinion. You say that you only stated that Michael’s statement was sexist, not that Michael himself is sexist. It is true you did not explicitly state that he is a sexist, neither did you explicitly state that you were not saying he is a sexist. The average reasonable person would probably interpret your post as implying that he is sexist.
In other words – you made the same kind and magnitude of error that you are accusing Michael of making.
I do have to also point out that in your post you made a factual error. Michael’s statement was not in response to the question of male/female ratios in the atheist movement (he said he thought it was 50/50), but rather to the host’s statement that she tried to get female atheists for the panel but they all refused. This does not rescue his statement from being clueless, but it puts it into a different context.
If we are being charitable to what he said, it does not come anywhere close to your claim of saying that women don’t do “thinky” work or that “thinky” work is a guy thing. In the right context, he was just referring to the willingness to be publicly confrontational, without any comment as to cause. He still should not have ventured a brief answer to such a complex question, nor taken the host’s anecdotal experience as representative. But it was not fair to say that he was saying women don’t do “thinky” work.
Do you still stand by that characterization, or would you modify it in light of subsequent discussion?
chirp....chirp....chirp....

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Post by 16bitheretic »

I'm not sure PZ's book is going to really fill any untapped void in the genre of atheist nonfiction. A simple anti-religion work has to compete now against still relevant works like The God Delusion and God is not Great. If PZ tries to inject stuff from his own field of study, well what is he gonna offer that Dawkins hasn't already covered, and what known atheist writer or blogger nowadays can take a more aggressive attitude and match the quality of Hitchens? Unless this is just a silly little fluff book, I really don't know what PZ could do that hasn't already been done in the last 10 or so years by others. At least with someone like Lawrence Krauss, instead of a book about "Well God sucks and here's 10 chapters on why you should not believe in it", he instead gave non-physicists a look into a matter that cuts to the very heart of why so many people of faith can't make the leap to where we stand, and that's in my opinion far more interesting than being 7 years late to a party that Dawkins, Harris and Hitchens already covered in The God Delusion, The End of Faith and God is not Great.

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Post by VickyCaramel »

ReneeHendricks wrote:
Bourne Skeptic wrote:
ReneeHendricks wrote:In other news entirely, it looks like Megan Phelps is no longer part of the WBC (if this is old news, I apologize):

https://medium.com/turning-points/83d2ef8ba4f5
Good for her. I hope this encourages more of her family to do the same.
Ooo! A mass WBC exodus. That's be something to see :D
While trying to find out who the hell Megan Phelps is, I found a link in a footnote, written as if it were hot off the press:-
http://todaynews.today.com/_news/2013/0 ... ple-to-die

Libby Phelps Alvarez has also left. Forgive me if this is old news.

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Post by ConcentratedH2O, OM »

LOL Meyers is fat LOL!!!1

But seriously: 176 pages? Christ on a fucking crutch. And his editor "hacked it to bits". Lord, this is going to be a fucking joy to read. I'm with Mykeru: Goglebomb it with serious, thoughtful reviews of this pamphlet. No faking, no "the author must smell of wee and crabjuice". Just honest reviews of Meyers's pamphlet.

LOL! Meyers has a stupid ugly beard on his stupid fat fae LOL!!!!1

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Post by ReneeHendricks »

Wait. Really?
@OpheliaBenson Yes I really am allowed to criticize even "a public figure in his community." Yes. That's permitted. We don't have monarchs.
So...this only applies to Ophie but no one else is allowed to criticize her? Criticizing her is "harassment", right?

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Post by ReneeHendricks »

VickyCaramel wrote:
ReneeHendricks wrote:
Bourne Skeptic wrote:
ReneeHendricks wrote:In other news entirely, it looks like Megan Phelps is no longer part of the WBC (if this is old news, I apologize):

https://medium.com/turning-points/83d2ef8ba4f5
Good for her. I hope this encourages more of her family to do the same.
Ooo! A mass WBC exodus. That's be something to see :D
While trying to find out who the hell Megan Phelps is, I found a link in a footnote, written as if it were hot off the press:-
http://todaynews.today.com/_news/2013/0 ... ple-to-die

Libby Phelps Alvarez has also left. Forgive me if this is old news.
I believe Libby left like 3 years ago but it's only been more public this past day or so, for some reason.

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Post by Ape+lust »

16bitheretic wrote:...Unless this is just a silly little fluff book, I really don't know what PZ could do that hasn't already been done in the last 10 or so years by others....
Atheism Plus. The secret to being a fulfilled, happy atheist.

That Amazon blurb is years old. PZ's been neck deep in A+ crap for a year and a half.

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Post by DW Adams »

I'm somewhat confused about something, and it's really not that important.

Is everyone mispronouncing Aratina Cage on purpose? Is that something s/h/it doesn't like?

I keep hearing Ara-tina, but it's clearly A-Rat-In-A Cage.

Carry on.

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Pitchguest wrote:
ERV wrote: <snip>
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I just bought the 9 year old a 240 page book.
It took him 6 years to write 176 pages. It took him 6 years to write 176 pages that was, according to himself, so filled with errors that when the editors sent it back to him it was "a wall of purple editor’s marks — just page after page of nits picked and wording/grammatical errors hacked into submission." Huh. Just to bury the point home. Richard Dawkins' book, the Selfish Gene, hardcover, is 352 pages. That was the first book he ever published. The book that put him on the map. Richard "the misogynist, sexist, racist, patriarchal white supremacist, 'does not care for my experience as an atheist woman'" Dawkins.

And then we have PZ Myers. Happy Atheist. 176 pages. Oh well.
Not true. The Selfish Gene: 1976, 30 editions (at least); The Blind Watchmaker: 1989

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Mr Danksworth wrote:
Mykeru wrote:Hey, I just thought as I hit submit.

How about we review Peezus's book in video form and Google-bomb the fucker?
I don't even need to read it. His topic has already been done, by multiple people who are light years better than him. He has missed the "nu-atheist makes fun of religion' book train by a couple of years.
You, of course, are right. We should just let it hit the floor with a thud and lay there motionless like a stillborn calf.

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Steersman wrote:
Pitchguest wrote:
ERV wrote: <snip>
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I just bought the 9 year old a 240 page book.
It took him 6 years to write 176 pages. It took him 6 years to write 176 pages that was, according to himself, so filled with errors that when the editors sent it back to him it was "a wall of purple editor’s marks — just page after page of nits picked and wording/grammatical errors hacked into submission." Huh. Just to bury the point home. Richard Dawkins' book, the Selfish Gene, hardcover, is 352 pages. That was the first book he ever published. The book that put him on the map. Richard "the misogynist, sexist, racist, patriarchal white supremacist, 'does not care for my experience as an atheist woman'" Dawkins.

And then we have PZ Myers. Happy Atheist. 176 pages. Oh well.
Not true. The Selfish Gene: 1976, 30 editions (at least); The Blind Watchmaker: 1989
OOOOOPS; my mistake .... :oops:

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Mykeru wrote:
From the author of one of the web's most popular science blogs, The Happy Atheist takes on religious fanaticism with all the gleeful disrespect it deserves. A small, fearless book that takes aim at big, stupid targets--and nails them.
"Gleeful disrespect?"

I can do that, Peez. Got some actual skeptical vids to do. Longing to do the definitive Dyatlov Pass video. But eventually I will have to get to this disingenuous shit.
That blurb tripe is what Watson would be turning out if she had a job she was actually qualified for but it is revealing.
The Happy Atheist takes on religious fanaticism...
Only religious fanatics? Dawkins, Hitichens, Harris went after religious belief itself and most religionists are not fanatics.
A small, fearless book that takes aim at big, stupid targets--and nails them.
Well small for sure but how hard or fearless is it nail big stupid targets? Fat professor cum blogger nails sitting ducks and we re supposed to pay money to read his book?
Mykeru wrote:Hey, I just thought as I hit submit.

How about we review Peezus's book in video form and Google-bomb the fucker?
I'm game but technically I'm limited to talking into the camera videos right now. I do have some ideas and would be happy to script and/or advise anyone who wants to sign up.

I'll be on Skype in about 30 minutes (9PM EST US) if anyone wants to chat about this. (Skype ID buddhaglass)

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Mykeru wrote:
Mr Danksworth wrote:
Mykeru wrote:Hey, I just thought as I hit submit.

How about we review Peezus's book in video form and Google-bomb the fucker?
I don't even need to read it. His topic has already been done, by multiple people who are light years better than him. He has missed the "nu-atheist makes fun of religion' book train by a couple of years.
You, of course, are right. We should just let it hit the floor with a thud and lay there motionless like a stillborn calf.
...then we let it rot in the sun and have happy fun times with the skull!

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DeepInsideYourMind wrote: Yes it is stupid and bollocks - in the UK, most racism (as I think is the same elsewhere) is actually between minorities - africans hate bangladeshis hate indians hate jamaicans hate pakistanis, and so on
[youtube]184MD9S69vY[/youtube]

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Post by Zenspace »

Ape+lust wrote:
rocko2466 wrote:Hi guys.

I posted this before but it didn't embed in the thread right - an Ophie dramatic reading.

Goddamn, that's brilliant :o
Another winner! Love the doctor carrying on in the background of the delusion! :clap: :lol: :clap:

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Come on, guys. None of us has yet read PZ's upcoming book. Maybe it'll be a masterpiece. Don't go pre-judging a book by its author, by the "summary" posted years before the book was actually written, or by the amount of re-writing the editors have had to do. That doesn't seem fair.








(*snort*)

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Post by DeepInsideYourMind »

Ape+lust wrote:There's already piss-taking in Amazon's forums:

http://i.imgur.com/DlYhXSp.png

http://www.amazon.com/Dont-Read-This/fo ... A6FGXX1/1/
Winner Winner Chicken Dinner

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Apples wrote:
The A+ Primer (from basket o' links) wrote:The purpose of these forums being the discussion of social justice issues within the context of atheism, we use the social justice definitions of words like "racism", "sexism", and other -isms. You may have seen the terms "Institutional Racism", Systemic Racism, Institutional/Systemic Sexism, etc. The short version is -isms = prejudice + power. In social justice terms, marginalized groups cannot be guilty of -isms because they don't have the power to institutionalize their prejudices.
Bolding mine. I finally poked around their basket of links. The last sentence is a remarkably stupid and revealing statement to put in print, amounting to a license to be an aggressive bigot if you can claim to be "marginalized." Of course, since the poor are obviously marginalized, according to A+ dogma poor white skinheads cannot be guilty of racism. :? Since gay/black people are marginalized, gays and/or blacks can't be guilty of classism/ableism/pick-your-ism. And if atheists are marginalized, white/cis/male/straight upper-class atheists can't be guilty of sexism. Etc. I guess it's just what you'd expect, given the incredible sloppiness and superficiality of everything they've done.

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic ... 441#p33441
I have seen this more than once over the years.

It is a tenant of belief within certain circles. Here is an example (picked at random) which delves into this type of reasoning a bit more and explains it so that everyone can understand (the underline is mine). Basically it illustrates the kind of mentality you are dealing with over in A+ and I daresay baboonland.

Why Reverse Racism Doesn’t Exist
Let’s start from the beginning. Your first step is to accept that “a hatred or intolerance of another race” is not the definition of racism. The dictionary is wrong. Get over it.

Racism is when intolerance in government laws, attitudes and ideals of a society are ingrained in a culture to the point where patterns of discrimination towards a certain race are institutionalized as normal. If you keep this in mind, you’ll understand that reverse racism doesn’t- and can’t- exist.

There is another saying “Racism (or sexism) = prejudice + power. POC (people of color) can be prejudiced against white people. But they can never have power, i.e. a whole system of structured support that backs them. White people often don’t understand how much power they have. Just ONE white person has more power to do actual harm to a black person than one hundred black people do to that white person. A white person can KILL a black person without any consequences, while if the situation was reversed you can bet the killer wouldn’t see the outside of a prison cell for a long, long time.

When white people complain about reverse racism, they are not complaining about losing their RIGHTS. What they are complaining about is losing their PRIVILEGE.
It is a whole different universe that these people inhabit. Attempts to communicate with them are generally exercises in futility, because you do not share the same precepts, never mind that the same words have different meanings to the ones you may be accustomed to.

Your first step in any attempt to communicate with them is to throw out the dictionary you are using and use theirs, because they have long since abandoned yours.

(I have also heard that some people have issues with "dictionary aethists". I wonder what that means?)

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Post by Git »

Cunning Punt wrote:
Michael K Gray wrote:
sKepptiksowat wrote:Argument for edit button?
What do you think of Palestinian falafel? Baked by left-handed lesbian negresses with surgically repaired cleft-palates, who are on their day off from tearing down anti-rape posters with Stanley-knives that were used to circumcise sperm whales?
I've had Palestinian felafel. It's very good. They put french fries in it!
The Hummus Wars

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Post by TheMudbrooker »

What this place really needs is some highbrow humor.

[youtube]1FDnxuH6pfY[/youtube]

I'll contribute something useful to the conversation one of these days.
Honest.

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Post by Mr Danksworth »

Awww. Ophelia retweeted me and then they all blocked me. So sad. I wonder how many clowns can fit in that car?
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Lsuoma wrote:
DeepInsideYourMind wrote: Yes it is stupid and bollocks - in the UK, most racism (as I think is the same elsewhere) is actually between minorities - africans hate bangladeshis hate indians hate jamaicans hate pakistanis, and so on
[youtube]184MD9S69vY[/youtube]

Tom Lehrer is the shit.

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Post by Walter Ego »

I'll be on Skype for about the next two hours if anyone wants to chat about whatever.( Skype ID buddhaglass) I've been keeping a low profile for the last month or so because of illness and other issues but I'm up for some human contact tonight.

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Post by Michael K Gray »

Completely off topic, but three nice'n'shiny Fairyland CDs plonked in my postbox just then!
Should I listen to them in any particular order?
Score to a New Beginning.
The Fall of an Empire.
Of Wars in Osyrhia.

Oh, bread vs philosophers. Who would win?

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Post by welch »

Pitchguest wrote:
cunt wrote:At least 3 years too late. I'm surprised the publishers are even bothering at this point.
Well, it seems PZ apparently wrote like he was on crack or something, considering when the editors returned the book to him to correct it was shock-full of errors, grammatical errors, syntax errors ... content errors ...

Who's willing to bet he'll delay the release for another six years?
Having written multiple books, I think that's doubtful. HIGHLY doubtful. If it gets delayed, and it's the publisher, at this point, they'll write off any advance, and be done with him. If HE delays it for some stupid reason from his end, then they have the right, (this is in every contract I've ever signed) to say "Okay. We're done, and, you owe us your advance money back".

It's why I tell new authors to take the smallest possible advance. Just enough to motivate you. First, you have to pay that shit back to get a dime in residuals. Technically, the first $ in residuals on my iOS book will cost $8001. (SO BY THE FUCKING THING!!!) Secondly, if something does go wrong, and you were a greedy tit, the publisher is highly motivated to get that advance back.

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windy wrote:From the Thunderdome thread that was mentioned earlier:
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Really, we're just learning that is it? Wasn't that more or less how you ran the old site? At least own up to it before using trolls as an excuse to shit on the idea of unmoderated discussion. This smug revisionist crap pisses me off.
welch wrote:They have not changed their behavior one fucking bit, the "problem" is that you (collectively) are now the target, not Dinesh D'shitstain.
That's part of it, sure. But I think you're doing some retconning of your own here. A few years back there weren't mass bannings of people with wrong opinions (at least none that we knew of!), over-sensitivity about language wasn't encouraged, and the siege mentality hadn't developed yet. Those bits have changed, at least. IMO, it was more of a "frog in a slowly boiling pot" process for many regulars.
He's definitely gotten worse, but that's an implementation issue. The behavior itself is not even vaguely new.

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AndrewV69 wrote:
Apples wrote:
The A+ Primer (from basket o' links) wrote:The purpose of these forums being the discussion of social justice issues within the context of atheism, we use the social justice definitions of words like "racism", "sexism", and other -isms. You may have seen the terms "Institutional Racism", Systemic Racism, Institutional/Systemic Sexism, etc. The short version is -isms = prejudice + power. In social justice terms, marginalized groups cannot be guilty of -isms because they don't have the power to institutionalize their prejudices.
Bolding mine. I finally poked around their basket of links. The last sentence is a remarkably stupid and revealing statement to put in print, amounting to a license to be an aggressive bigot if you can claim to be "marginalized." Of course, since the poor are obviously marginalized, according to A+ dogma poor white skinheads cannot be guilty of racism. :? Since gay/black people are marginalized, gays and/or blacks can't be guilty of classism/ableism/pick-your-ism. And if atheists are marginalized, white/cis/male/straight upper-class atheists can't be guilty of sexism. Etc. I guess it's just what you'd expect, given the incredible sloppiness and superficiality of everything they've done.

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic ... 441#p33441
I have seen this more than once over the years.

It is a tenant of belief within certain circles. Here is an example (picked at random) which delves into this type of reasoning a bit more and explains it so that everyone can understand (the underline is mine). Basically it illustrates the kind of mentality you are dealing with over in A+ and I daresay baboonland.

Why Reverse Racism Doesn’t Exist
Let’s start from the beginning. Your first step is to accept that “a hatred or intolerance of another race” is not the definition of racism. The dictionary is wrong. Get over it.

Racism is when intolerance in government laws, attitudes and ideals of a society are ingrained in a culture to the point where patterns of discrimination towards a certain race are institutionalized as normal. If you keep this in mind, you’ll understand that reverse racism doesn’t- and can’t- exist.

There is another saying “Racism (or sexism) = prejudice + power. POC (people of color) can be prejudiced against white people. But they can never have power, i.e. a whole system of structured support that backs them. White people often don’t understand how much power they have. Just ONE white person has more power to do actual harm to a black person than one hundred black people do to that white person. A white person can KILL a black person without any consequences, while if the situation was reversed you can bet the killer wouldn’t see the outside of a prison cell for a long, long time.

When white people complain about reverse racism, they are not complaining about losing their RIGHTS. What they are complaining about is losing their PRIVILEGE.
It is a whole different universe that these people inhabit. Attempts to communicate with them are generally exercises in futility, because you do not share the same precepts, never mind that the same words have different meanings to the ones you may be accustomed to.

Your first step in any attempt to communicate with them is to throw out the dictionary you are using and use theirs, because they have long since abandoned yours.

(I have also heard that some people have issues with "dictionary aethists". I wonder what that means?)
Wouldn't it be awesome if any of these theoretical jeenyuses actually opened their eyes and went out into the real world, and maybe tried to see if reality actually matched up to all their assumptions?

Even if it could be proved that every last institution in society systematically favored whites over everyone else, how would that privilege the majority of whites, who are lower-middle-class, working-poor, or lower socioeconomically just like the minorities? Even if only whites were allowed into colleges, how would that privilege the majority of whites who still wouldn't be allowed either? If only whites were allowed to buy nice houses, how would that confer privilege to the millions still in slums? Superiority by proxy? Magical Whiteness Ju-Ju rubbing off on all whites, even the dirt poor ones? Does white people's Mac & Cheese and Top Ramen taste better and give more nutrition than it does when black people buy it?

How do these people never see how severely they limit their own perspectives by intellectually enforcing the categories that real-world people so often refuse to live up(or down)to?


(and not to be picky, but I think the word you want it "tenet", not "tenant")

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ERV wrote:
Walter Ego wrote:
cunt wrote:At least 3 years too late. I'm surprised the publishers are even bothering at this point.
It's already being offered for sale on Amazon so PZ is committed to clean up the manuscript.

The Amazon blurb:
Release date: August 13, 2013

From the author of one of the web's most popular science blogs, The Happy Atheist takes on religious fanaticism with all the gleeful disrespect it deserves. A small, fearless book that takes aim at big, stupid targets--and nails them.

For the last several years, PZ Myers, writing the blog Pharyngula, has entertained millions of readers every month with his infectious love of evolutionary science and his equally infectious disdain for creationism, biblical literalism, "intelligent design" theory, and other products of godly illogic. While PZ does not accept the common atheist argument that religion necessarily makes people do evil, violent things, he does think that, most of the time, it makes them believe in the truly ridiculous--which is exactly what he skewers in this riotously funny book. In fact, The Happy Atheist is so outrageous, it's the only book about religion anyone should take seriously.

176 pages.

...

I just bought the 9 year old a 240 page book.

IT'S TAKEN PZ MYERS THREE FUCKING YEARS TO WRITE A 176 PAGE BOOK BASED ON HIS FUCKING BLOG?

I ONLY NEEDED 8 MONTHS TO DO 227 PAGES, AND THAT INCLUDES GETTING TECH INFO FROM FUCKING CISCO!!!! HELL, I HAD TO ACTUALLY CREATE AND TEST SAMPLE SCRIPTS AND 4 FUCKING MDM IMPLEMENTATIONS ON MULTIPLE PLATFORMS. I HAD TO ACTUALLY LEARN NEW SHIT AND WAIT FOR APPLE TO RELEASE NEW OPERATING SYSTEM VERSIONS FOR TWO FUCKING HARDWARE PLATFORMS3098OIOIIOIOPA8REQ80RQWE08-W011111111111111111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Christ, was he chiseling it into steel with a paint scraper?

Hey publishers, call me. I can have that shit out by august starting from fucking SCRATCH, and your editors will be a DAMNED site happier.

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Walter Ego wrote:
ERV wrote: 176 pages.

I just bought the 9 year old a 240 page book.
From Amazon:
The God Delusion, Hardcover: 416 pages

God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything, Hardcover: 307 pages

The End of Faith (Sam Harris), Hardcover: 336 pages
Not to say a book has to be long to be good but three years late and only 176 pages? I suspect the manuscript was much longer and that was all that could be salvaged.
iOS in the Enterprise. It says 256, they're counting the index. Actual writing and screenshots are 221 or so pages.

There's an iBooks version and a PDF version available direct from peachpit.

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Pitchguest wrote:
ERV wrote:
Walter Ego wrote:
cunt wrote:At least 3 years too late. I'm surprised the publishers are even bothering at this point.
It's already being offered for sale on Amazon so PZ is committed to clean up the manuscript.

The Amazon blurb:
Release date: August 13, 2013

From the author of one of the web's most popular science blogs, The Happy Atheist takes on religious fanaticism with all the gleeful disrespect it deserves. A small, fearless book that takes aim at big, stupid targets--and nails them.

For the last several years, PZ Myers, writing the blog Pharyngula, has entertained millions of readers every month with his infectious love of evolutionary science and his equally infectious disdain for creationism, biblical literalism, "intelligent design" theory, and other products of godly illogic. While PZ does not accept the common atheist argument that religion necessarily makes people do evil, violent things, he does think that, most of the time, it makes them believe in the truly ridiculous--which is exactly what he skewers in this riotously funny book. In fact, The Happy Atheist is so outrageous, it's the only book about religion anyone should take seriously.

176 pages.

...

I just bought the 9 year old a 240 page book.
It took him 6 years to write 176 pages. It took him 6 years to write 176 pages that was, according to himself, so filled with errors that when the editors sent it back to him it was "a wall of purple editor’s marks — just page after page of nits picked and wording/grammatical errors hacked into submission." Huh. Just to bury the point home. Richard Dawkins' book, the Selfish Gene, hardcover, is 352 pages. That was the first book he ever published. The book that put him on the map. Richard "the misogynist, sexist, racist, patriarchal white supremacist, 'does not care for my experience as an atheist woman'" Dawkins.

And then we have PZ Myers. Happy Atheist. 176 pages. Oh well.

SIX...FUCKING...YEARS....


AAAAAAAAAAAGHHHHHH!!!!!

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Post by ReneeHendricks »

LOL! Dillahunty thinks I'm misrepresenting the other side: http://anr.apartmentj.com/?p=894#comment-561

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Skeeve wrote:I'm somewhat confused about something, and it's really not that important.

Is everyone mispronouncing Aratina Cage on purpose? Is that something s/h/it doesn't like?

I keep hearing Ara-tina, but it's clearly A-Rat-In-A Cage.

Carry on.
and I hear "acephalic idiot with delusions of adequacy"

english sure is a funny language.

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By jove, Physioproffee (e to infinity) is a moron.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/physioprof/ ... ins-found/

The remains of an historical figure who was allegedly lost is found and what's the reaction? "Why should I give a flying fucke about this?"

Yeah, Comrade, don't you mean "Whye shoulde [youe] givvee aee flyinggee fuckkee aboutee thisee"? Idiot.

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Post by Ape+lust »

ReneeHendricks wrote:LOL! Dillahunty thinks I'm misrepresenting the other side: http://anr.apartmentj.com/?p=894#comment-561
Pity Obama isn't as smart as Zvan.

"Sure Mitt, I'll debate you. Quit the GOP."

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Pitchguest wrote:By jove, Physioproffee (e to infinity) is a moron.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/physioprof/ ... ins-found/

The remains of an historical figure who was allegedly lost is found and what's the reaction? "Why should I give a flying fucke about this?"

Yeah, Comrade, don't you mean "Whye shoulde [youe] givvee aee flyinggee fuckkee aboutee thisee"? Idiot.
PZ gets his SJW points in. Can't you just feel his pain...


"PZ Myers
February 4, 2013 at 1:13 pm (UTC -7)
Because some people have a morbid fascination with famous people that persists even when the famous person is a corpse. Imagine, a century from now, when the tabloids crack the Kardashian family vault and publish photos of the crumbling remains!

I suppose it might also be interesting to contrast the health and diet of a dead king with the similar properties of all the other poor schmucks lying dead all around him."

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OH, almost forgot. Yesterday I was explaining some of this idiocy to my son. (he asked).

When I told him about Abbie wanting to talk to Greta and playing the "Kill Bill" music turning into "SHE'S GOING TO CUT MY HEAD OFF WITH A SAMURAI SWORD" his comment was:

"I'd start a kickstarter for that"

His other idea for a kickstarter: to create a box of insults to send to PeeZus.

two things...

1) Some days, that boy makes me so proud I could cry.

2) For all the FTB twonks lurking...THERE'S A SECOND GENERATION MOTHERFUCKERS! WE ARE LEGION! WE ARE FUCKING ETERNAL!

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Pitchguest wrote:By jove, Physioproffee (e to infinity) is a moron.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/physioprof/ ... ins-found/

The remains of an historical figure who was allegedly lost is found and what's the reaction? "Why should I give a flying fucke about this?"

Yeah, Comrade, don't you mean "Whye shoulde [youe] givvee aee flyinggee fuckkee aboutee thisee"? Idiot.
And Peezus's comment:
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Does he view everything through a class/privilege lens these days?

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For Mykeru's next video
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For ABbie. Doing the rounds on FB:

http://i.imgur.com/plO96ol.jpg

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lonesagi wrote:
And Peezus's comment:
pzrich3.JPG
Does he view everything through a class/privilege lens these days?
Yes. Yes he does. Unfortunately it is a clouded lens, unable to see true inequality. Here's how his last sentence could have read:
I suppose it might be interesting to compare the health and diet of a dead average 21st Century North American with the similar properties of all the other poor schmucks lying dead in Africa and Asia.

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Post by Cunning Punt »

AnonymousCowherd wrote:
UnbelieveSteve wrote:
welch wrote:
Steersman wrote:
Apples wrote:
Well, we all know 'pitters are inveterate tit-grabbers.
That is so udderly bad ....
Do you ALWAYS have to milk things?
That last comment was the cream on top.
I just skim those comments.
welch wrote:It appears we've whipped up a frenzy.
These jokes are getting a little cheesey.

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Michael K Gray wrote:Completely off topic, but three nice'n'shiny Fairyland CDs plonked in my postbox just then!
Should I listen to them in any particular order?
Score to a New Beginning.
The Fall of an Empire.
Of Wars in Osyrhia.

Oh, bread vs philosophers. Who would win?
Fucking Reap. Will he stop at nothing with his long distance pranks!?

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Post by TheMan »

Cunning Punt wrote:
welch wrote:It appears we've whipped up a frenzy.
These jokes are getting a little cheesey.

No worries... if it gets too bad and you upset Lsouma, just butter him up with a bottle of wine and you'll be right

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Post by Submariner »

Ape+lust wrote:
ReneeHendricks wrote:LOL! Dillahunty thinks I'm misrepresenting the other side: http://anr.apartmentj.com/?p=894#comment-561
Pity Obama isn't as smart as Zvan.

"Sure Mitt, I'll debate you. Quit the GOP."

My post:
Submariner says:
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
February 7, 2013 at 3:34 am

Speaking as a common fellow, it seems to me that there are other venues for the promotion of social justice issues. If you want to attend those, more power to you. I do not believe that everyone who attends atheist, secular and skeptical conferences necessarily want to have half of the topics covered be social justice issues and in particular, feminism.

It’s like if I attend a sports memorabilia conference, I don’t want 30-50% of the speakers talking about after market car parts. That’s not why I’m there. I’m interested in separation of church and state, reducing religiosity, and disproving bigfoot. I could care less about your holley carburetor.

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Post by TheMan »

lonesagi wrote:
Pitchguest wrote:By jove, Physioproffee (e to infinity) is a moron.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/physioprof/ ... ins-found/

The remains of an historical figure who was allegedly lost is found and what's the reaction? "Why should I give a flying fucke about this?"

Yeah, Comrade, don't you mean "Whye shoulde [youe] givvee aee flyinggee fuckkee aboutee thisee"? Idiot.
And Peezus's comment:
pzrich3.JPG
Does he view everything through a class/privilege lens these days?

Yeah...he's a Born Again Working Class dude

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Post by lonesagi »

AnonymousCowherd wrote:
UnbelieveSteve wrote:
welch wrote:
Steersman wrote:
Apples wrote:
Well, we all know 'pitters are inveterate tit-grabbers.
That is so udderly bad ....
Do you ALWAYS have to milk things?
That last comment was the cream on top.
I just skim those comments.
Cunning Punt wrote:
welch wrote:It appears we've whipped up a frenzy.
These jokes are getting a little cheesey.
We shouldn't let this gag end on a sour note.

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Post by Mykeru »

Ape+lust wrote:
rocko2466 wrote:Hi guys.

I posted this before but it didn't embed in the thread right - an Ophie dramatic reading.

Goddamn, that's brilliant :o
I snickered. To totally rip off Monty Python, her brain is so small, it's like one of those games you try to get the BB in the hole. You can hear it rattling around as she talks.

Oh, that explains the head motion.

Natch.

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Post by Mykeru »

welch wrote:
Walter Ego wrote:
ERV wrote: 176 pages.

I just bought the 9 year old a 240 page book.
From Amazon:
The God Delusion, Hardcover: 416 pages

God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything, Hardcover: 307 pages

The End of Faith (Sam Harris), Hardcover: 336 pages
Not to say a book has to be long to be good but three years late and only 176 pages? I suspect the manuscript was much longer and that was all that could be salvaged.
iOS in the Enterprise. It says 256, they're counting the index. Actual writing and screenshots are 221 or so pages.

There's an iBooks version and a PDF version available direct from peachpit.
I can't fap to that.

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Will we all be awkwardly burying PZ's book like he awkwardly buried the Bible?

Gotta make sure you get teeny-tiny amounts of dirt between the pages. Effing weirdo.

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Post by Guest »

Skeeve wrote:I'm somewhat confused about something, and it's really not that important.

Is everyone mispronouncing Aratina Cage on purpose? Is that something s/h/it doesn't like?

I keep hearing Ara-tina, but it's clearly A-Rat-In-A Cage.

Carry on.
And despite all my rage, s/h/it is just A Rat In A Cage.

But that's because the world is a vampire.

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