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Walter Ego wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote: [youtube]HZmHC75FDqQ[/youtube]
IMHO no one is completely hetero or homo. I'm about 5% hetero. It might be fun to speculate on the straight/gay ratios of various pitters and baboons... or maybe not. Most "straight" men react violently to even the suggestion of homosexuality in their genetic/psychological makeup.

Sigh. It's not a switch. It's not a mix. And I can't believe a gay man of today is trotting out one of the stupider gay social justice warrior tropes from the 70's and 80's. I thought that particular bit of made-up silliness went out in the early 1980s, along with Queer 10% and other such stuff. I mean, that is just fucking old and dead .

Really, Walter, you don't suddenly wake up one day after decades of banging pussy and say "Wow, that guy is cute, I'm switching sides..." or get a crush on Tom Cruise or any such shit. Your orientation, as far as we can tell, is hard wired from before you had your first rational, conscious thought as a toddler.

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decius wrote:Dear Filthy Cunts

Those of you who follow me on Twitter will forgive me for the double posting, but I think this volume should figure prominently in the Pit's library.

Google has digitised, in full, The School of Venus - a raunchy sex manual for the Ladiez, first published in 1628.

Here's the link and a snippet.

http://books.google.de/books?id=_9dNAAA ... &q&f=false
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I'll most likely revert to posting mode after summer, due to current lack of time for internet in general.

Ciao
Will the mansplaining never stop? Frank?

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decius wrote:Correction to my previous post, the publishing date was 1680.
O well then, I don't want to read it any more.

Too old /rw

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I noticed an interesting tweet by one of the speakers at the upcoming EWTS2013 conference, Ivana Bacik.
is an Irish politician, and a member of one of the political parties currently in the coalition government there, and so should have some insight into upcoming legislation.
Her tweet also has some implications regarding the name of the conference, at least the 'Empowering Women' part.
What her tweet means, I think, is that there is a move to bring into place in Ireland, the Swedish model of sex-worker regulation.
This model is essentially the radfem position writ law. Prostitution is made illegal (I'm not sure but I guess it's already illegal in Ireland) with all the legal penalties falling on the purchasers rather than the prostitute her or himself.
Is it really empowering for the prostitute if her (or his) work is now made more restrictive?

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Dick Strawkins wrote:
IF what Loftus says is true - that many (most) of the chapters are just tweaked old blog posts, this is shocking, to say the least. Remember, we are dealing with a book that took six years to get published. It is, however, rather reminiscent of his (and his fellow conference circuit gravy-train riders) attitude towards conference attendees - 'to hell with writing a new talk, I'll just use my old one!')

That's one of the reasons I support all conferences having a speaker rotation period of at least three years. Further, no speaker would be allowed to use the same talk they'd given, at the conference, in the past, not even updated, unless the talk was specifically requested. I might even stretch that rule to any conference.

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Gumby wrote:
Dick Strawkins wrote: http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2007 ... heights-o/ same title

The final piece is probably my favorite of all PZ's writings. It shows that he is not some simple poseur, he does have talent. But read the comments and you'll notice just what, or rather who, he has been prepared to sacrifice in order to follow his political leanings.
I remember that post - it's from about the time I first started reading Pharyngula. The difference in style and attitude is so much different from the simplistic angry drivel he posts today. He's like a completely different person.

Yeah. I was going though the old stuff in the wayback machine. The blog was a joy to re-read, though, to be honest, the early signs of his impending crankiness were there. Ironically, he seems to have recognized the potential problem himself as I hit one post (back in 2006) where he talks about how his grandfather became a cranky, bitter old-man. How he was worried he was going to do the same thing...

Seven years later, we have Cranky Myers screaming at everyone who doesn't kowtow to his ideas from his blog (he's way too gutless to confront in public).

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Dick Strawkins wrote:Latest additions to the misogynist archive include:
EWTS key speaker Kate Smurthwaite, FTB new boy Ally Fogg, and finally Dave denouce-the-shit Silverman.

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=328
Feminism 101: "It's only misogyny when they do it!"

Smurthwaite was in Cambridge yesterday, doing her best Gail Dines impression at Sceptics in the Pub. Lecturing about the evil capitalist porn industry turning the world into a hypersexualised rape culture, and calling on sceptics to support criminalisation of the sex industry.

I didn't see it, and it doesn't seem to be recorded/uploaded anywhere yet, but judging by the subsequent feminist whining about "mansplaining douchebag sceptics", it doesn't look like her shtick went down too well with everyone in the audience.

Most of the claims and statistics Smurthwaite uses are taken word for word from Dines' book Pornland and Melissa Farley's Prostitution Education and Research site. There's no original research or original thought, and there's definitely no sign of fact checking.

Many of the statistics used by those feminists have been thoroughly discredited. Some of the "facts about prostitution" that Smurthwaite lists, like the claim that the average age of entry into prostitution is 12, fall apart under any scrutiny. So it's nice to know that there was at least one genuine sceptic in the room who was willing to challenge her on them.

Of course feminist true believers will just dismiss any criticism from "patriarchs"... ...but hopefully some of the audience will look into it for themselves rather than accepting her claims on faith.

It'll be interesting to see if Smurthwaite spews the same bullshit at EWTS, and whether any sceptics there will question it.

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Tribble wrote:
Dick Strawkins wrote:
IF what Loftus says is true - that many (most) of the chapters are just tweaked old blog posts, this is shocking, to say the least. Remember, we are dealing with a book that took six years to get published. It is, however, rather reminiscent of his (and his fellow conference circuit gravy-train riders) attitude towards conference attendees - 'to hell with writing a new talk, I'll just use my old one!')

That's one of the reasons I support all conferences having a speaker rotation period of at least three years. Further, no speaker would be allowed to use the same talk they'd given, at the conference, in the past, not even updated, unless the talk was specifically requested. I might even stretch that rule to any conference.
They're not run in the sense of professional conferences; they're run in the sense of Star Trek conventions. People are going to see William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy and to be able to say that they were at the place where Becky was almost raped in an elevator. The show must go on. That's way we can guarantee that there will be some manufactured spectacle in Dublin coming up. Maybe Nugent will drop his pants. I don't know...

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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
AndrewV69 wrote:*snip*

Gruntled that lass of generous proportions and gentle disposition was not. A few chants of "om ma ne pad me hum" might be in order if you ask me.
*snip*
Ok, that's from a movie or animated feature. Trying to remember it without Google-fu. I remember someone stroking someone else's head.


Oh, got it! Disney's Mulan, right? (one of my favorites, and one of the very rare Disney movies where the songs don't irritate me. Which is why I fin Atlantis so fantastic: not a single fucking song!)
Titan AE was better.

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Dick Strawkins wrote:I noticed an interesting tweet by one of the speakers at the upcoming EWTS2013 conference, Ivana Bacik.
is an Irish politician, and a member of one of the political parties currently in the coalition government there, and so should have some insight into upcoming legislation.
Her tweet also has some implications regarding the name of the conference, at least the 'Empowering Women' part.
What her tweet means, I think, is that there is a move to bring into place in Ireland, the Swedish model of sex-worker regulation.
This model is essentially the radfem position writ law. Prostitution is made illegal (I'm not sure but I guess it's already illegal in Ireland) with all the legal penalties falling on the purchasers rather than the prostitute her or himself.
Is it really empowering for the prostitute if her (or his) work is now made more restrictive?
Related: If you follow the link that iamcuriousblue provided, apparently Kate Smurthwaite is also an anti-prostitution nut.

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Gumby wrote:
cunt wrote:
No actually that sucks as satire or whatever the fuck its supposed to be and it's obvious you spent hours on it.

Told you it was crappy!

Now if you would only admit the same thing about your meaningless throwaway faux-edgy one-liners here that make up the vast majority of your posts. But, you won't, because you're a boring troll who thinks he's clever. Go back to arguing with Rystefn about nails and screwdrivers, it's the most useful thing you've ever done here.
Shut up, that's my thing.

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bovarchist wrote:
Gumby wrote:
cunt wrote:
No actually that sucks as satire or whatever the fuck its supposed to be and it's obvious you spent hours on it.

Told you it was crappy!

Now if you would only admit the same thing about your meaningless throwaway faux-edgy one-liners here that make up the vast majority of your posts. But, you won't, because you're a boring troll who thinks he's clever. Go back to arguing with Rystefn about nails and screwdrivers, it's the most useful thing you've ever done here.
Shut up, that's my thing.
Sorry, didn't realize. Your royalty check is in the mail.

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Hunt wrote: That's way we can guarantee that there will be some manufactured spectacle in Dublin coming up. Maybe Nugent will drop his pants. I don't know...
For fuck sake! :evil:

Spoiler alert???? :doh:

Don't give away the ending! :naughty:

Nugent's notorious waist down impersonation of an elephant is famous throughout the pubs of Dublin (it's famous in many different pubs because he only manages it once per pub before he's barred)

Rumor has it he plans to wait till 4.AM on the Saturday night of the conference before he performs it, in the holy elevator itself, whilst simultaneously exclaiming the traditional 'elephant trick' expression: "Don't take this the wrong way-heyyyy!"

:whistle:

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Tribble wrote:

Sigh. It's not a switch. It's not a mix. And I can't believe a gay man of today is trotting out one of the stupider gay social justice warrior tropes from the 70's and 80's. I thought that particular bit of made-up silliness went out in the early 1980s, along with Queer 10% and other such stuff. I mean, that is just fucking old and dead .

Really, Walter, you don't suddenly wake up one day after decades of banging pussy and say "Wow, that guy is cute, I'm switching sides..." or get a crush on Tom Cruise or any such shit. Your orientation, as far as we can tell, is hard wired from before you had your first rational, conscious thought as a toddler.
No, what you say is "I was in just in denial all this time I was banging pussy."

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Parody Accountant wrote:
katamari Damassi wrote: I got the CBGB's reference, but what is the second one? I see 2001, but there's elements I'm missing.
It's actually not 2001 (though I guess that the aesthetics are similar on purpose).

[youtube]u5CVsCnxyXg[/youtube]

Radiohead's video for 'No Surprises' - An unnerving lofi video of the singer ... well, singing ... while wearing a goldfish bowl helmet that's slowly filling up.

See 1:40-1:55-ish mark for the goosebumps moment. (Assuming you lot are also vulnerable to that goosebump feeling when art really hits home. Maybe it's just me.)
Starting my day listening to a song from OK Computer, one of my favorite albums ever.

Thank you, Mr. Accountant.

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Hunt wrote:This is kind of interesting. Read the comment and the thread prior to this comment. I'm guessing Nancy is of a "60s" generation. It's like a generation more connected with human interaction is conversing with the present day neo-puritans. I'm not sure if Miri is really capable of understanding what she's saying, given her script:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/brutereason ... ment-10409

For the record, I'm not a total enthusiast of body boundary liberalism. I used to have a business associate who was of the 80s personality power persuasion. His big thing would be to make you walk with him, then put his hand on the scruff of your neck and SQUEEEEEZE, almost to the point of pain. It was all I could do to resist punching him in self defense when he did it.
I usually hate strangers touching me.
My son (9 years old) used to have a school teacher who looked like a cross between Ophelia Benson and Hulk Hogan, and everytime I had a meeting with her she would practically grope me - putting her hands on my arms, touching my back or my neck etc.

It was fucking annoying. :evil:

So I moved my son to a new school.
(The groping was not the major reason for the move, but it played a part in quickly reaching a decision)

Now my boy has a new teacher.
Who just so happens to look like a supermodel - tall, blonde, friendly, beautiful smile.

She never gropes me at all.


:(

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Just one quick point on Miri's demands for consent before touching.
As I said previously, I do have some sympathy for her position, but I also realize that to legislate (as in anti-harrassment policies) against any touching without consent is going to create the potential for problems.
Look at the famous 'We Love Justin' group shot.
As far as I can make out, they are ALL touching the next person(s) in the line, apart from Ashley Miller who is a little away from PZ.
Did they explicitly ask permission of each other?
I doubt it.
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Dick Strawkins wrote:Laden reviews PZ Myers new book.
http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2013/ ... y-atheist/

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If you read PZ’s blog you will recognize the themes, and in some cases, the stories, in this book, but rest assured this is NOT a collection of Pharyngula blog posts.
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Let's see. Apparently, almost half of the chapters are straight copy/paste jobs of Pharyngula blog posts. How is this book NOT a collection of Pharyngula blog posts?

I think there is nothing wrong per se with republishing blog posts in a book. But the reader has the right to know this. The date and original title of the post should be indicated. Bonus points if the author takes the trouble to provide context, clears up obscure and ephemeral references, and rewrites parts that are poorly expressed or irrelevant. To simply paste a bunch of blog posts in a word processor and then trying to pass it of as an entirely new work, now that would be false advertising, to put it mildly.

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Tribble wrote:
Walter Ego wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote: [youtube]HZmHC75FDqQ[/youtube]
IMHO no one is completely hetero or homo. I'm about 5% hetero. It might be fun to speculate on the straight/gay ratios of various pitters and baboons... or maybe not. Most "straight" men react violently to even the suggestion of homosexuality in their genetic/psychological makeup.

Sigh. It's not a switch. It's not a mix. And I can't believe a gay man of today is trotting out one of the stupider gay social justice warrior tropes from the 70's and 80's. I thought that particular bit of made-up silliness went out in the early 1980s, along with Queer 10% and other such stuff. I mean, that is just fucking old and dead .

Really, Walter, you don't suddenly wake up one day after decades of banging pussy and say "Wow, that guy is cute, I'm switching sides..." or get a crush on Tom Cruise or any such shit. Your orientation, as far as we can tell, is hard wired from before you had your first rational, conscious thought as a toddler.
Sigh. Instead of using the baboon tactic of drawing the worse possible conclusions from what you think I said why don't save yourself (and me) some grief and put me on ignore. I'm sorry I'm not current on the latest politically correct attitudes re fags. Have a nice day.

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Hunt wrote: That's way we can guarantee that there will be some manufactured spectacle in Dublin coming up. Maybe Nugent will drop his pants. I don't know...
[youtube]8bDxdjlbWcs[/youtube]

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bovarchist wrote:
Ok, that's from a movie or animated feature. Trying to remember it without Google-fu. I remember someone stroking someone else's head.


Oh, got it! Disney's Mulan, right? (one of my favorites, and one of the very rare Disney movies where the songs don't irritate me. Which is why I fin Atlantis so fantastic: not a single fucking song!)
Titan AE was better.[/quote]

No! (although it was pretty good, and I'm still agast at the awakening sequence of the Titan at the end. Music, direction... perfect)

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http://i.imgur.com/ms2eJmk.jpg

That was from Kirkus reviews - there is more but I'm not a subscriber so I can't read it all.
https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-revi ... y-atheist/

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Dick Strawkins wrote:http://i.imgur.com/ms2eJmk.jpg

That was from Kirkus reviews - there is more but I'm not a subscriber so I can't read it all.
https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-revi ... y-atheist/

Watching someone as thin skinned as PZ Myers face a barrage of bad reviews is going to be interesting.

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I briefly skimmed over that FTB post on touching.

Throughout my entire life it's been females who are the touchy ones. Even to this day, I go out to see my friends band play (for example) and one of the ladies there grabs my ass. Sort of like a "hello" only with a grope attached. I'll be standing near the bar and some woman will have her hands on my chest. I go to a wedding and one of the ladies is practically picking me up to drag me to the dance floor. etc. I use these examples because these are from people I know...not strangers...strangers....holy shit (I've told the story of getting my undies partially ripped off at a club).

It's not that I get all freaked out or anything (so it's not like I'm giving out a certain "vibe") it's just the easiness these women just grab at people. If it were a man doing theses things to a woman it'd be creepy as all fuck.

Ladies, don't do that! (hehe that is fun to say)

And not to be 100% heterosexual...I've been hit on many times by gay guys but only once did a gay man touch me. He put his hand on my shoulder. It wasn't a big deal but I did grab his wrist and move his hand off me. I guess it could be hard for a gay guy trying to hit on someone when you don't know if they are gay too.

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Post by Phil_Giordana_FCD »

Don't care about being grabbed. I think I actually like the feeling of recognition.

And the hands on my bollocks, of course, that goes without saying...

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http://i.imgur.com/ihZ8TiC.jpg

Just seen this.
I think they've solved the harrassment problem.

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Of note: the physical contact I hate the most is someone touching my belly. This to me would be way more distressing than someone grabbing my cock.

Even Ali needs special dispensations if she wants to try that shit!

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1. Sex Clubs: No matter what image one has in their mind, the reality must be fat greasy fuckers.

2. No one ever touches me. It might be the "vibrating with rage" attitude I project.

3. You know what P.Z.'s response to bad reviews will be? Nothing. Jack shit. He will revert to his in-public persona because responding to reviewers who already have his number in a venue he doesn't control isn't beating commentators to death on one's own blog. Expect a Laden-like influx of 5 star reviews from sycophants.

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Mykeru wrote:1. Sex Clubs: No matter what image one has in their mind, the reality must be fat greasy fuckers.
It's sufficient to bounce fat greasy fuckers right at the front door.

These are pretty decent. Of course, you'll have to cross the Atlantic for anything this classy.

http://www.insomnia-berlin.de/03_galleries_fotos.php

http://www.kitkatclub.org/Home/Club/Index.html

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Mykeru wrote:
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3. You know what P.Z.'s response to bad reviews will be? Nothing. Jack shit. He will revert to his in-public persona because responding to reviewers who already have his number in a venue he doesn't control isn't beating commentators to death on one's own blog. Expect a Laden-like influx of 5 star reviews from sycophants.
Exactly. You may see an occasional FftB acolyte comment here and there, but Peezus will stay in his personal, tightly controlled space. One exception: The amazon.com reviews will get very interesting, methinks. :popcorn:

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Mykeru wrote:1. Sex Clubs: No matter what image one has in their mind, the reality must be fat greasy fuckers.

2. No one ever touches me. It might be the "vibrating with rage" attitude I project.

3. You know what P.Z.'s response to bad reviews will be? Nothing. Jack shit. He will revert to his in-public persona because responding to reviewers who already have his number in a venue he doesn't control isn't beating commentators to death on one's own blog. Expect a Laden-like influx of 5 star reviews from sycophants.
The reviews are going to be similar to the reviews for "intelligent design" books - some 5-star reviews from the DI and the author's friends, and a stack of 1-star reviews from those living in realityville.

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Zenspace wrote:
Mykeru wrote:
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3. You know what P.Z.'s response to bad reviews will be? Nothing. Jack shit. He will revert to his in-public persona because responding to reviewers who already have his number in a venue he doesn't control isn't beating commentators to death on one's own blog. Expect a Laden-like influx of 5 star reviews from sycophants.
Exactly. You may see an occasional FftB acolyte comment here and there, but Peezus will stay in his personal, tightly controlled space. One exception: The amazon.com reviews will get very interesting, methinks. :popcorn:
Bad reviews in the mainstream press might be a bit humbling for him as well.

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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
Walter Ego wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote: [youtube]HZmHC75FDqQ[/youtube]
IMHO no one is completely hetero or homo. I'm about 5% hetero. It might be fun to speculate on the straight/gay ratios of various pitters and baboons... or maybe not. Most "straight" men react violently to even the suggestion of homosexuality in their genetic/psychological makeup.
I think Roy's song has nothing to do with sexual orientation, but more with hypocrisy, which is quite topical right now.

I myself have a few bisexual tendencies at times. There are guys I'd be more than happy to spend a night with. To whim:

http://wallpaperpassion.com/upload/4296 ... lpaper.jpg
Ryan Reynolds...I thought I was the only one.

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Ericb wrote:
Zenspace wrote:
Bad reviews in the mainstream press might be a bit humbling for him as well.
"Humbling" and "Myers"... quite the optimist, aren't you?

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I find all this worry about touching bizarre. I grew up, although in America, in a sub-culture where physical affection was the norm. The appropriate greeting, even for people you are not close to, is an embrace and a kiss. A few weeks ago, there was a memorial for a relative and I was introduced to the priest afterwards. We hugged and kissed. I had never met the man before, likely will never see him again, but if I ever do, Im sure the greeting will be the same.

Ive have male-pattern baldness, started losing my hair in my teens. Started shaving my head in my mid-20s. Today thats common. Back then it was fairly uncommon. Many people rubbed my head. From my friends it was endearing. From people I never met it was mildly annoying and even occasional weird, but fuck, sometimes people are weird. When the right woman does it, its can be quite sexual, but that doesnt mean its always sexual, most of the time it most definitely is not.

I just dont get this whole anti-touch thing. In the cases where I dont want to be touched, I am quite comfortable telling you that. If you dont listen, I will drive the point home. In all other cases, which is the vast majority of cases, go for it.

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Ericb wrote:
Bad reviews in the mainstream press might be a bit humbling for him as well.
The religious will automatically give him terrible reviews, that's to be expected.
He'll probably also pick up some vindictive bad reviews from those he has pissed off in the secular/skeptic community.
But there may be others, like those of Loftus, that ask whether Peezus is bringing anything new to the table almost a decade after the four horsemen books started appearing. The notion that it consists mainly of his old blog posts is not going to make it easier for him either.

There is nothing wrong with a "Best of" anthology, drawn from his various writings over the years; that's how most of SJ Gould's books were put together.
But was anyone really expecting his book to be that?
Six years is a hell of a long time to write a single book - and one with 200 odd pages, most of it old posts?

I guess the best that can be said is that PZ is doing his bit for the environment by fully embracing recycling.

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Re: Jim the Pleb Made Me Do It

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Metalogic42 wrote:
Ryan Reynolds...I thought I was the only one.
Are you kidding? Great looks, body I'm trying to attain right now with work-out, sense of humour that is way beyond what others have done...

Yeah, I'd fuck Deadpool. Even the crappy Wolverine one. Ryan ranks in my top 10 fav actors. His Hannibal King in the (not so bad) trilogy ending "Blade Trinity" was pure joy from start to finish.

/easily entertained

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debaser71 wrote:I briefly skimmed over that FTB post on touching.

Throughout my entire life it's been females who are the touchy ones. Even to this day, I go out to see my friends band play (for example) and one of the ladies there grabs my ass. Sort of like a "hello" only with a grope attached. I'll be standing near the bar and some woman will have her hands on my chest. I go to a wedding and one of the ladies is practically picking me up to drag me to the dance floor. etc. I use these examples because these are from people I know...not strangers...strangers....holy shit (I've told the story of getting my undies partially ripped off at a club).

It's not that I get all freaked out or anything (so it's not like I'm giving out a certain "vibe") it's just the easiness these women just grab at people. If it were a man doing theses things to a woman it'd be creepy as all fuck.

Ladies, don't do that! (hehe that is fun to say)

And not to be 100% heterosexual...I've been hit on many times by gay guys but only once did a gay man touch me. He put his hand on my shoulder. It wasn't a big deal but I did grab his wrist and move his hand off me. I guess it could be hard for a gay guy trying to hit on someone when you don't know if they are gay too.
In my experience (I've traveled a fair bit in very different environments) physical space is affected deeply by culture and circumstance. It can be a very touchy thing (see what I did there :mrgreen: ) to get right in a new environment. For instance, in NYC personal space is very different from many other areas in the USofA. Being pressed into shoulder-to-shoulder contact in a subway is quite common and expected/acceptable if not actually pleasant or comfortable. But even there you have discreet, unspoken rules. If a hand mysteriously appears on someones ass even in that environment, there is going to be a major and unpleasant public event (or possibly a hookup!). In less crowded regions, getting within three feet of a person can be interpreted as a potential threat or come-on. In most public places in NYC, you would barely be noticed (more like 'sure is roomy in here!').

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Zenspace wrote:
Mykeru wrote:
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3. You know what P.Z.'s response to bad reviews will be? Nothing. Jack shit. He will revert to his in-public persona because responding to reviewers who already have his number in a venue he doesn't control isn't beating commentators to death on one's own blog. Expect a Laden-like influx of 5 star reviews from sycophants.
Exactly. You may see an occasional FftB acolyte comment here and there, but Peezus will stay in his personal, tightly controlled space. One exception: The amazon.com reviews will get very interesting, methinks. :popcorn:
Yep, they will be very bimodal - lots of one-star and five-star reviews - just like a good religious text should be.

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The slymepit seems to be slowing down. :shifty:

Time for Lsuoma to start a new thread?

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Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
Metalogic42 wrote:
Ryan Reynolds...I thought I was the only one.
Are you kidding? Great looks, body I'm trying to attain right now with work-out, sense of humour that is way beyond what others have done...

Yeah, I'd fuck Deadpool. Even the crappy Wolverine one. Ryan ranks in my top 10 fav actors. His Hannibal King in the (not so bad) trilogy ending "Blade Trinity" was pure joy from start to finish.

/easily entertained
If they ever make an Uncharted movie, he looks a lot like Nathan Drake.

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Post by katamari Damassi »

Apples wrote:Heh. Comrade Physioproffe: DOMA was bad because it "intentionally fuckes gay people up the asse." :think:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/physioprof/ ... stitution/
http://www.freezepage.com/1372331288GKFLDKDUCL
Yeah. A really poor choice of words. Is he brain injured or something?

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bovarchist wrote:
Phil_Giordana_FCD wrote:
Metalogic42 wrote:
Ryan Reynolds...I thought I was the only one.
Are you kidding? Great looks, body I'm trying to attain right now with work-out, sense of humour that is way beyond what others have done...

Yeah, I'd fuck Deadpool. Even the crappy Wolverine one. Ryan ranks in my top 10 fav actors. His Hannibal King in the (not so bad) trilogy ending "Blade Trinity" was pure joy from start to finish.

/easily entertained
If they ever make an Uncharted movie, he looks a lot like Nathan Drake.
It's strange that I never thought much of Renyolds until he did a bizarre version of himself on Family Guy and when I saw some of his outtakes from Blade Trinity. He's got a terrific attitude and quick wit.

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Dick Strawkins wrote:
Ericb wrote:
Bad reviews in the mainstream press might be a bit humbling for him as well.
The religious will automatically give him terrible reviews, that's to be expected.
He'll probably also pick up some vindictive bad reviews from those he has pissed off in the secular/skeptic community.
But there may be others, like those of Loftus, that ask whether Peezus is bringing anything new to the table almost a decade after the four horsemen books started appearing. The notion that it consists mainly of his old blog posts is not going to make it easier for him either.

There is nothing wrong with a "Best of" anthology, drawn from his various writings over the years; that's how most of SJ Gould's books were put together.
But was anyone really expecting his book to be that?
Six years is a hell of a long time to write a single book - and one with 200 odd pages, most of it old posts?

I guess the best that can be said is that PZ is doing his bit for the environment by fully embracing recycling.
Mind you, Gould's books were promoted and billed as collections of his monthly essays in Natural History. Everybody understood that they were anthologies of previously published (and unrelated) short pieces. If Myers' book were subtitled 'the best of Pharyngula' it would at least be more honest.

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Oh come on! How do you not put an 'I Frothed' on that picture? :P

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Dick Strawkins wrote:
16bitheretic wrote:The list things are useful, trying to casually browse here to get caught up is impossible.

I find the CFI/FTB/Skepchick to be more of the same old shit witch-hunting. It's practically cliche at this stage.

I'm quite intrigued by American Atheists getting sued by AJ after Silverman actually dared to categorize this very forum as full of KKK-esque people promoting rape and death threats. It's amusing how people that get wrapped up in supporting the worst elements of the professional atheist and skeptic blogging/conference scene get caught in the most embarassing of situations. I love all that outrage attacking AA for their potential treatment of a woman from an ethnic minority possibly being discriminated against, the pitchforks should be up and the torches ready any minut......um, any minute now? Hmmmmm......
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Nugent then decided that playing FTBs battle general wasn't working and decided to play peacemaker.
He set up a 'dialogue' process that eventually consisted of several mostly pitters on one side versus the FTB side - represented by Steph Svan.
It was a painfully drawn-out procedure, never really getting into the real reasons for the conflict, but it is important to note that it was done in a polite and non-aggressive way from the pit side. Svan acted as you might expect.

The biggest result from this process seems to have been that Svan's interactions with the chair of the 'pit' team seems to have convinced .............
Steffy's performance in that dialogue was a classic of the obfuscating treacle genre she thinks she's so adept at. It was pretty clear at the time that she was sticking a spanner in the works. In a spectacular show of typical cluelessness she later proudly announced that her goal was to show that the Pit side of the dialog were not arguing honestly, which she failed to do, thereby showing herself as the one clearly not arguing honestly.

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Post by Southern »

Apples wrote:Heh. Comrade Physioproffe: DOMA was bad because it "intentionally fuckes gay people up the asse." :think:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/physioprof/ ... stitution/
http://www.freezepage.com/1372331288GKFLDKDUCL
Oh, Comrade Physiproffe, what the world would be without your "fuckes"? A better place, probably, but still.

I can't wait for his review of PZ's book, by the way.

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Post by Southern »

AnonymousCowherd wrote:
decius wrote:Dear Filthy Cunts

Those of you who follow me on Twitter will forgive me for the double posting, but I think this volume should figure prominently in the Pit's library.

Google has digitised, in full, The School of Venus - a raunchy sex manual for the Ladiez, first published in 1628.

Here's the link and a snippet.

http://books.google.de/books?id=_9dNAAA ... &q&f=false
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I'll most likely revert to posting mode after summer, due to current lack of time for internet in general.

Ciao
Will the mansplaining never stop? Frank?
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Zenspace wrote:
In my experience (I've traveled a fair bit in very different environments) physical space is affected deeply by culture and circumstance. It can be a very touchy thing (see what I did there :mrgreen: ) to get right in a new environment. For instance, in NYC personal space is very different from many other areas in the USofA. Being pressed into shoulder-to-shoulder contact in a subway is quite common and expected/acceptable if not actually pleasant or comfortable. But even there you have discreet, unspoken rules. If a hand mysteriously appears on someones ass even in that environment, there is going to be a major and unpleasant public event (or possibly a hookup!). In less crowded regions, getting within three feet of a person can be interpreted as a potential threat or come-on. In most public places in NYC, you would barely be noticed (more like 'sure is roomy in here!').
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Post by Southern »

Dick Strawkins wrote:I noticed an interesting tweet by one of the speakers at the upcoming EWTS2013 conference, Ivana Bacik.
is an Irish politician, and a member of one of the political parties currently in the coalition government there, and so should have some insight into upcoming legislation.
Her tweet also has some implications regarding the name of the conference, at least the 'Empowering Women' part.
What her tweet means, I think, is that there is a move to bring into place in Ireland, the Swedish model of sex-worker regulation.
This model is essentially the radfem position writ law. Prostitution is made illegal (I'm not sure but I guess it's already illegal in Ireland) with all the legal penalties falling on the purchasers rather than the prostitute her or himself.
Is it really empowering for the prostitute if her (or his) work is now made more restrictive?
I still don't know how it works on a logical level: "selling it is fine, but buying it? Crime!". The opposite (buying = ok, selling = crime) I can kinda understand - the classic example is drug legislation, where the buyer may be addicted, and the seller is seen as facilitator.

I know what they want to do with these legislations (criminalize the men, but not the women), but... why should prostitution be a crime in first place? If it is safe and consensual, and involving adults, why should society care about who pays who for sex?

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Southern wrote:
Dick Strawkins wrote:I noticed an interesting tweet by one of the speakers at the upcoming EWTS2013 conference, Ivana Bacik.
is an Irish politician, and a member of one of the political parties currently in the coalition government there, and so should have some insight into upcoming legislation.
Her tweet also has some implications regarding the name of the conference, at least the 'Empowering Women' part.
What her tweet means, I think, is that there is a move to bring into place in Ireland, the Swedish model of sex-worker regulation.
This model is essentially the radfem position writ law. Prostitution is made illegal (I'm not sure but I guess it's already illegal in Ireland) with all the legal penalties falling on the purchasers rather than the prostitute her or himself.
Is it really empowering for the prostitute if her (or his) work is now made more restrictive?
I still don't know how it works on a logical level: "selling it is fine, but buying it? Crime!". The opposite (buying = ok, selling = crime) I can kinda understand - the classic example is drug legislation, where the buyer may be addicted, and the seller is seen as facilitator.

I know what they want to do with these legislations (criminalize the men, but not the women), but... why should prostitution be a crime in first place? If it is safe and consensual, and involving adults, why should society care about who pays who for sex?
I think it makes sense if you think all prostitution is forced.
If no prostitute does it out of choice, if they are all trafficked or otherwise under some kind of compulsion, then it would be unfair to penalize the prostitutes themselves when the government steps in to prevent prostitution.
That is, I think, the sex-work negative feminist viewpoint - which extends to include pornography in its list of forced activities.

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Dick Strawkins wrote:
Southern wrote:
Dick Strawkins wrote:I noticed an interesting tweet by one of the speakers at the upcoming EWTS2013 conference, Ivana Bacik.
is an Irish politician, and a member of one of the political parties currently in the coalition government there, and so should have some insight into upcoming legislation.
Her tweet also has some implications regarding the name of the conference, at least the 'Empowering Women' part.
What her tweet means, I think, is that there is a move to bring into place in Ireland, the Swedish model of sex-worker regulation.
This model is essentially the radfem position writ law. Prostitution is made illegal (I'm not sure but I guess it's already illegal in Ireland) with all the legal penalties falling on the purchasers rather than the prostitute her or himself.
Is it really empowering for the prostitute if her (or his) work is now made more restrictive?
I still don't know how it works on a logical level: "selling it is fine, but buying it? Crime!". The opposite (buying = ok, selling = crime) I can kinda understand - the classic example is drug legislation, where the buyer may be addicted, and the seller is seen as facilitator.

I know what they want to do with these legislations (criminalize the men, but not the women), but... why should prostitution be a crime in first place? If it is safe and consensual, and involving adults, why should society care about who pays who for sex?
I think it makes sense if you think all prostitution is forced.
If no prostitute does it out of choice, if they are all trafficked or otherwise under some kind of compulsion, then it would be unfair to penalize the prostitutes themselves when the government steps in to prevent prostitution.
That is, I think, the sex-work negative feminist viewpoint - which extends to include pornography in its list of forced activities.
Hell, 98% of all labor is forced. Who the hell wants to swing a hammer all day?

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Dick Strawkins wrote:
Southern wrote:
Dick Strawkins wrote:I noticed an interesting tweet by one of the speakers at the upcoming EWTS2013 conference, Ivana Bacik.
is an Irish politician, and a member of one of the political parties currently in the coalition government there, and so should have some insight into upcoming legislation.
Her tweet also has some implications regarding the name of the conference, at least the 'Empowering Women' part.
What her tweet means, I think, is that there is a move to bring into place in Ireland, the Swedish model of sex-worker regulation.
This model is essentially the radfem position writ law. Prostitution is made illegal (I'm not sure but I guess it's already illegal in Ireland) with all the legal penalties falling on the purchasers rather than the prostitute her or himself.
Is it really empowering for the prostitute if her (or his) work is now made more restrictive?
I still don't know how it works on a logical level: "selling it is fine, but buying it? Crime!". The opposite (buying = ok, selling = crime) I can kinda understand - the classic example is drug legislation, where the buyer may be addicted, and the seller is seen as facilitator.

I know what they want to do with these legislations (criminalize the men, but not the women), but... why should prostitution be a crime in first place? If it is safe and consensual, and involving adults, why should society care about who pays who for sex?
I think it makes sense if you think all prostitution is forced.
If no prostitute does it out of choice, if they are all trafficked or otherwise under some kind of compulsion, then it would be unfair to penalize the prostitutes themselves when the government steps in to prevent prostitution.
That is, I think, the sex-work negative feminist viewpoint - which extends to include pornography in its list of forced activities.
The thing that gets me about anti-porn feminists is how they go after gay porn. Porn that features no women at all is harmful to women how? A radfem will tell you that the man being penetrated is playing the role of.a woman and therefore it is exploiting women. Anti-porn feminists are simply anti-sex.

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debaser71 wrote: And not to be 100% heterosexual...I've been hit on many times by gay guys but only once did a gay man touch me. He put his hand on my shoulder. It wasn't a big deal but I did grab his wrist and move his hand off me. I guess it could be hard for a gay guy trying to hit on someone when you don't know if they are gay too.
At least you didn't beat the gay guy to a pulp. I'm gay and don't like being touched or fondled without my consent. When I was younger and prettier (I was a hottie if I do say so myself), I had to beat off the men and women with a stick. Now that I'm middle-age and worn out, I don't have that problem. I have to pay people to molest me nowadays which is really sad if you think about it.

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HAHAHA. Greta says:
Since I’m a big proponent of admitting when you’re wrong....
Fuck, these people are so unintentionally hilarious.

link (if you're interested): http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/2013/ ... -im-wrong/

The whole quote, for context, is
Since I’m a big proponent of admitting when you’re wrong, I feel that I should say this today:

I was one of the people objecting to bringing same-sex marriage to SCOTUS. I was one of the people saying, “It’s too soon, this court sucks, we have to wait until we have a better court, this will set a bad precedent that we’ll have to live with for years.”

I was wrong.

And I have rarely been more happy to be wrong.

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bovarchist wrote:Mind you, Gould's books were promoted and billed as collections of his monthly essays in Natural History. Everybody understood that they were anthologies of previously published (and unrelated) short pieces. If Myers' book were subtitled 'the best of Pharyngula' it would at least be more honest.
The Best of Pharyngula?

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Dick Strawkins wrote:Prostitution is made illegal (I'm not sure but I guess it's already illegal in Ireland) with all the legal penalties falling on the purchasers rather than the prostitute her or himself.
Actually, prostitution is current legal in the Republic of Ireland. A lot of the things associated with it, like street solicitation and managing a brothel, are illegal, but the actual act of exchanging sex for money isn't criminalised. An escort can legally advertise her services and work without the interference of the police, just like in the UK (although feminists are fighting to change that too). In my experience Catholics are typically more tolerant of the sex industry than feminists.

As for all the legal penalties falling on the purchaser, rather than the prostitute: that's how this law is sold to the public, but it's not really the case. For example, feminist campaigners want to make it illegal to advertise prostitution services, so an escort putting an advert online would be committing an offence. The law also criminalises women who work together and share an apartment, effectively classifying them as each other's pimps.

Quite a few sex workers in Sweden have spoken out about how the law has negatively affected them:

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Dick Strawkins wrote: ...My son (9 years old) used to have a school teacher who looked like a cross between Ophelia Benson and Hulk Hogan...
It's beyond my ability to supply the Photoshop but I'll provide the caption;

"Whatcha gonna do, when Ophie-mania runs wild on you, brother sibling?"

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bovarchist wrote:
Tribble wrote:

Sigh. It's not a switch. It's not a mix. And I can't believe a gay man of today is trotting out one of the stupider gay social justice warrior tropes from the 70's and 80's. I thought that particular bit of made-up silliness went out in the early 1980s, along with Queer 10% and other such stuff. I mean, that is just fucking old and dead .

Really, Walter, you don't suddenly wake up one day after decades of banging pussy and say "Wow, that guy is cute, I'm switching sides..." or get a crush on Tom Cruise or any such shit. Your orientation, as far as we can tell, is hard wired from before you had your first rational, conscious thought as a toddler.
No, what you say is "I was in just in denial all this time I was banging pussy."
That made me laugh.

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