Re: In 2017 Idiocracy is a Documentary
Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 1:35 am
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Continuing recent themes, here is my pick:feathers wrote: ↑The Sound of My Fair Lady.Shatterface wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:22 pmI have a pretty large blu-ray collection by most standards (well over a thousand) but I have hardly any musicals.
It's not that I don't enjoy them - I grew up watching them - but I've never gotten around to collecting them and I probably should start building up a library.
What are the essentials I need?
I have The Wizard of Oz, Blues Brothers and The Rocky Horror Picture Show (which I've still never seen!) but that's about it.
Definitely the case that race is too much a focus for many, even for many blacks. But in the face of many trying to lay all of blame at the feet of the "whites" it's hard not to be sympathetic to some push-back: "It's ok to be white".Brive1987 wrote: ↑I can accept that different levels of race concern exist. But the fact race is a thing at all in the debate is a huge red flag for me. It should be unimportantly implicit in erhnic [? ethnic] defense - making it explicit at all channels National Socialism and weirdness.gurugeorge wrote: ↑Oh yeah, race realism is pretty much implicit or non-controversial in the Alt Right position, and some degree of race loyalty too (although there's variation there too - some are happier with a degree of mixing than others).Brive1987 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:37 amSo I would add race realism and race loyalty to your mix of outwardly unifying features. Some players may downplay this or even secretly disagree -
but only alone and in a locked room. My POV here ignores those simply pissed with Muslim excess. Which is, like, everyone with half a brain.
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Or: some want to preserve the race because they want to preserve the ideas they believe their race has most affinity with, others want to preserve the race full stop, because they love their people and feel indifference or hostility to other people.
Yeah. Somewhat apropos of which:
So racist to say “African”. Almost as bad as talking about “Asian” food.Steersman wrote: ↑Definitely the case that race is too much a focus for many, even for many blacks. But in the face of many trying to lay all of blame at the feet of the "whites" it's hard not to be sympathetic to some push-back: "It's ok to be white".Brive1987 wrote: ↑I can accept that different levels of race concern exist. But the fact race is a thing at all in the debate is a huge red flag for me. It should be unimportantly implicit in erhnic [? ethnic] defense - making it explicit at all channels National Socialism and weirdness.gurugeorge wrote: ↑Oh yeah, race realism is pretty much implicit or non-controversial in the Alt Right position, and some degree of race loyalty too (although there's variation there too - some are happier with a degree of mixing than others).Brive1987 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:37 amSo I would add race realism and race loyalty to your mix of outwardly unifying features. Some players may downplay this or even secretly disagree -
but only alone and in a locked room. My POV here ignores those simply pissed with Muslim excess. Which is, like, everyone with half a brain.
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Or: some want to preserve the race because they want to preserve the ideas they believe their race has most affinity with, others want to preserve the race full stop, because they love their people and feel indifference or hostility to other people.
Yeah. Somewhat apropos of which:
No Bugsy Malone?MarcusAu wrote: ↑ on the subject of Musicals - off the top of my head - I can recommend:
Tommy
Quadrophenia
The Wall
Paint Your Wagon
Oh Brother, Where Art Thou?
Bells are Ringing
Guys and Dolls
Singin' in the Rain
Tap
Robin and the 7 Hoods
I suppose technically the Marx Brothers films are musicals - but anyone interested probably already has them. Maybe you could start with The Jazz Singer - and pick one film from each decade.
Just stay away from anything with Jeanette MacDonald and Nelson Eddy in it.
Not a problem if they can bring in loads of POCs. I read an allegation somewhere that the Dems rushed through the processing of 1 million immigrants before a presidential election in the 90's. Clinton again.Old_ones wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2018 7:14 pmOne of the many shortcomings of the SocJus ethos/approach is that all substantial disagreements lead the SJW to "you are a terrible person" which is a thought terminating cliche. Hopefully the Democratic party doesn't take the PZ Myers approach to this issue - they'd be nailing themselves in a coffin to keep all the "deplorables" away. They need a platform that can be inclusive for not only minorities, but also the majority because the won't make it without white voters.
I wouldn't take everything Rogan says about conspiracy and alternative theories seriously. He is after all trying to put on a show.Bhurzum wrote: ↑I lack the motivation to trawl through hours of video to find the quote but it is out there. Something about a recent (mid 2K's) satellite taking pictures of the Earth and NASA releasing them before he finally changed his mind. I genuinely don't recall specifics, but I do remember rolling my eyes and thinking that the guy's a fucking oaf. Feel free to dismiss this (no citation - fair play) but I'd be hard pressed to care less.jugheadnaut wrote: ↑Don't know what you're talking about. Rogan never believed in the flat Earth theory.
Maybe he strikes you as a quick-witted and erudite kinda guy but I'm sceptical: I think if you removed him from the studio (no monitor, no earpiece, no behind-the-scenes lackeys scrambling around trying to marshal facts and figures for him), the Joe Rogan "experience" would be an entirely different affair. But hey, I could be wrong, maybe he'd run rings around Stephen Hawking?
Oh, and personal/subjective opinion of his stand-up: cut 'n' paste stuff, some of it funny, most of it dull as fuck. He follows the standard yank formula: yell a lot and make sure to say "bitch" and "mother fucker" as often as possible. All that's missing are spitoon sound effects, random audience members shouting "yeehaw, y'all" and perhaps the outbreak of a mass shooting or two.
I'd sooner listen to Watson do an eight hour routine about the evils of douche... :twatson:
It's warmed up a bit here, too:
Singin' In the Rain, obviously, also Mary Poppins and The Sound of Music. Oh, and South Park: Bigger, Longer, and Uncut. Only the classics will do.Shatterface wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2018 1:22 pmI have a pretty large blu-ray collection by most standards (well over a thousand) but I have hardly any musicals.
It's not that I don't enjoy them - I grew up watching them - but I've never gotten around to collecting them and I probably should start building up a library.
What are the essentials I need?
I have The Wizard of Oz, Blues Brothers and The Rocky Horror Picture Show (which I've still never seen!) but that's about it.
And oh yeah, Trey Parker's Cannibal! The Musical.
They do talk about poor impulse control and aggression. If there's an emphasis on IQ it's only because that's where the science is solid and you don't have to rely on anecdote. Whatever the alt-right is they aren't stupid. Their strategy is better than ours (probably because ours consists of sticking our fucking heads in the sand), and we're going to get our asses kicked if we don't get ahead of the curve on this. Anyone who looks at the crime or IQ data can see there are group level differences. The debate needs to be refocused on why the alt-right is wrong *even if those differences exist*. Instead we get Adam Ruins Everything and other well-meaning (or are they? if they're deep cover right wing plants they're doing a brilliant fucking job) idiots trying to rip down entire fields of science because they don't like reality.VickyCaramel wrote: ↑ You really have to wonder about the Alt-Right and Race Realists because I am pretty certain that this behaviour isn't IQ related. If I point something even remotely gun shaped at my dog it has the intelligence to run and hide. I am really surprised that they are not talking about impulse control and aggression.
MarcusAu mentioned Oh Brother, Where Art Thou, which establishes the precedent any movie with a song in it is a musical. So, I'll also suggest Orgazmo.
Going with more recent movies, Chicago was hysterical and had me humming the tunes for days.
I think we reach for the first description that comes to mind. Disney movies are instantly recognisable as 'animations,' Marx Brothers films are 'comedies'. On a moment's reflection, of course they are musicals too, but that description doesn't seem to define them in quite the same way.jet_lagg wrote: ↑ Why do we hesitate to call Disney films musicals? They obviously are, and being part of my childhood they're some of my favorites but I still felt they didn't match the category. Is it just that live action is more "serious" (as if a genre with spontaneous song and dance numbers could be called serious)? That's why South Park was okay. They know they're joking.
Shatterface wrote: ↑We think of them more as musicals because they seem to have more in common finally with Singing in the Rain than Conan the Barbarian or Scarface.
That's Dr. Bugsy Malone PhD to you, bastod!Bhurzum wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2018 4:00 amNo Bugsy Malone?MarcusAu wrote: ↑ on the subject of Musicals - off the top of my head - I can recommend:
Tommy
Quadrophenia
The Wall
Paint Your Wagon
Oh Brother, Where Art Thou?
Bells are Ringing
Guys and Dolls
Singin' in the Rain
Tap
Robin and the 7 Hoods
I suppose technically the Marx Brothers films are musicals - but anyone interested probably already has them. Maybe you could start with The Jazz Singer - and pick one film from each decade.
Just stay away from anything with Jeanette MacDonald and Nelson Eddy in it.
For shame...
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Ok ... then add.... Pinocchio, Snow White, and Beauty and the Beastjet_lagg wrote: ↑ Why do we hesitate to call Disney films musicals? They obviously are, and being part of my childhood they're some of my favorites but I still felt they didn't match the category. Is it just that live action is more "serious" (as if a genre with spontaneous song and dance numbers could be called serious)? That's why South Park was okay. They know they're joking.
I was more thinking like
There was more than one song in 'Oh Brother, Where Art Thou' and even a Busby Berkeley inspired dance routine
By change I mentioned 'Bugsy Malone' a week or so ago - so was looking at some clips on Youtube - that film must call into question the proclivities of Alan Parker. I enjoyed it when I was younger, but lets just say things no longer hold up in relation to that film. I'm sure that some in Hollywood are calling for a remake though.
You may be confusing it with his position on the moon landing conspiracy theory. He says he was taken in at one point by some of the evidence and an engineer he knew who was a conspiricist, but once he looked at things more carefully, he realized his ignorance about physics and photography had led him astray and changed his mind.Bhurzum wrote: ↑I lack the motivation to trawl through hours of video to find the quote but it is out there. Something about a recent (mid 2K's) satellite taking pictures of the Earth and NASA releasing them before he finally changed his mind. I genuinely don't recall specifics, but I do remember rolling my eyes and thinking that the guy's a fucking oaf. Feel free to dismiss this (no citation - fair play) but I'd be hard pressed to care less.jugheadnaut wrote: ↑Don't know what you're talking about. Rogan never believed in the flat Earth theory.
I agree that the biggest knock against him as comic is that his style is very derivative. He does have a strong basic tool set, though. His stage presence is good, his comic timing is sound, and he's skilled at voices/impressions and sound effects.Bhurzum wrote: ↑ Oh, and personal/subjective opinion of his stand-up: cut 'n' paste stuff, some of it funny, most of it dull as fuck. He follows the standard yank formula: yell a lot and make sure to say "bitch" and "mother fucker" as often as possible. All that's missing are spitoon sound effects, random audience members shouting "yeehaw, y'all" and perhaps the outbreak of a mass shooting or two.
I'd sooner listen to Watson do an eight hour routine about the evils of douche... :twatson:
Hmmm...you know what? I think you might be correct. As stated earlier, my memory of the specifics is very patchy plus I'm not really a fan. The only time I tune in to his podcast is when he has a guest on that I'm interested in. So yeah, if that's the case, sorry about that. My bad!jugheadnaut wrote: ↑You may be confusing it with his position on the moon landing conspiracy theory. He says he was taken in at one point by some of the evidence and an engineer he knew who was a conspiricist, but once he looked at things more carefully, he realized his ignorance about physics and photography had led him astray and changed his mind.
Yup, I watched two of his shows (on YT) and cursed myself for taking a second bite of the turd sandwich. Don't get me wrong, he seems to be popular enough - the audience was laughing away at his material and both shows looked to be fully booked but he's just not my mug of piss.jugheadnaut wrote: ↑I agree that the biggest knock against him as comic is that his style is very derivative. He does have a strong basic tool set, though. His stage presence is good, his comic timing is sound, and he's skilled at voices/impressions and sound effects.