Periodic Table of Swearing

[Dilurk]

I'm not sure of your age, Geoff, but knowing you're a fellow Canadian and RHPS fan makes me wonder if we didn't maybe go to some of the same RHPS showings (at the Roxy in Toronto) in 1977 or 1978. It was showing Sat & Sun, 2 shows a night IIRC. I went once or twice a week for maybe a year, I think.

Ahh, those were the days. I probably went to 50 midnight showings of Rocky Horror, which of course means I'm a total n00b by hardcore RHPS-attendee standards. I had a blast.

I'd be up for a Toronto meetup of slimepitters. I know there is another slimepitter here from Ottawa or close enough. As I said before, I'm really only semi anonymous because I know how crazy these fftb arses are. We could all go see a midnight showing of RHPS and yell at the kids "get off our lawn!" or something.

[SteveW68]

Follow the links in order:

Firstly we have Natalie Reed stating "Not in":
http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/2012/ ... ment-89507

So I ask Richard a wee question on his dictat:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/arc ... ment-20156

Note his reply....

So I call him out on it:
http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/arc ... ment-20337 (Comment still awaiting moderation)
Post content:

"Since she never said any such thing, no."

Beg to differ Richard:

“Personally, I’m not in. Not now, anyway.”

http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/2012/ ... ment-89507

[Dick Strawkins]

Stefunny's clamping down hard. After my post here - http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... ent-111244 - she put me straight into moderation.

After she asked me if I thought Laden was fair game, I responded with this:

http://i.imgur.com/9C3uz.png

Then Thimbledoo, champion of the oppressed underclasses, piped up and tried to rewrite history:

Jason Thibeault says:
August 22, 2012 at 3:49 pm

Keeping your criticisms of a person factual, tigzy, is kinda fundamental to being part of any skeptical community.

To which I replied:
http://i.imgur.com/2yUd8.png

Both in moderation, as you can see. 'There is no past, Winston. Not really. The Party decides what the past is.'

Tee-hee-hee!
Here's the origin of todays drama
http://i.imgur.com/rHFYz.jpg

[Darren]

No shock here:



http://i.imgur.com/2ebAk.png

sigh...

I keep hoping he's gonna turn around and say "gotcha!".

[Gumby]

We used to talk our Fortran teacher into letting us have bags of those rectangular cut out bits left over from making computer cards...

They are called "Chads".
And I am truly impressed that you studied FORTRAN!

Not to brag, well, actually to yes brag, I did quite well at it, always finishing my tasks sooner than others and never making mistakes or having to do any cards over. The keypunch machines were in the classroom, but the computer itself had its own room attached to the classroom. We had an extremely attractive teacher, which may have influenced me not to skip his class ever. Whenever I was finished a task early (always), I'd just wander around the room helping other people.

I was a Comp-Sci major in college, and a variant of FORTRAN-IV called WATFIV was the first programming language I ever learned. I totally rocked that course! I had to use the keypunch machines as well, which I hated.

Ever do any COBOL programming? It is such a verbose and pedantic language it should have been called MKG :eusa-whistle: Anyway, people who had to keypunch programs in COBOL ended up with huge stacks of cards. I'll never forget the poor woman who was rushing to the card reader for one last program run before her class in ten minutes. In her haste, she tripped over her own two feet and the large cardboard box containing about 3,000 cards went flying. Of course, cards went everywhere - cards she had NOT numbered in the area reserved for card numbering. She was sobbing. I felt horrible for her, but her tragedy was a lesson for everyone in the computer center - number your cards!!!

[AndrewV69]

Re: CT being tagged as 'insincere' - put "site:freethoughtblogs.com "CT says"" into Google.

CT is an ordinary SJW FTB commenter! I thought I'd seen the name before...

For one of them to be told that they must be a 'slymepit troll'.. ouch!

So, it did not occur to a certain personage that someone, anyone could be reading here, and follow the link? Just make an assumption, no skeptisim at all?

Public Service Note to any reading this pit of slime [especially if you are a baboonista] :
Copy/Paste the link into your browser, do not clicketh directly lest ye be branded with the fowl odure of the slime of the pit!

Though thou deservest it for it is written :

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. (Matthew 7:20)

Ye hath followed the words of thy false prophet PeeZuss! Oh fool!

Jah would never give the power to a baldhead . (Robert Nesta "Bob" Marley, OM!)

Yet ye have failed to heed the words, yea verily I say unto thee:

Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. (Matthew 7:20)

Oh deluded one!

Think you're in heaven, but ya living in hell. (Robert Nesta "Bob" Marley, OM!)

Fear for your soul!

Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. (Isaiah 14:15)

Repent now sayeth the Lord lest he repent himself of ye!

And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. (Genesis 6:7).

[Munkhaus]

Greg and Stefunny have got to be fucking on the side. I can't think of any other reason why she would constantly stick up for such a scumbag.

Stefunny has real difficulties in separating genuine ethical issues and what she perceives as her responsibilities to her "friends".

She had a most absurd post about "outing" various people from the ERV threads:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... hallenge-4

Stefunny's post is just some weird attempt to rationalise "outing" some dead russian. But in the long winded BS she typed to justify her unethical position within her own slightly strange thought processes, she explained how she wouldn't out pornalysis, because hey, she knew him and *his* story was more complicated.

Of course, pornalysis was one of just a couple of genuine bigoted / prejudiced people on the original threads. And it probably never crossed Stefunny's mind that others might just have their own complex backstory.

Her objectivity, ethics and thinking are pretty much non-existant.

(Hey, Munkhaus, you got a mention by Stefunny too!)

Yeah! Haha. That was when she "cyberstalked" me, found out my Secret Hidden Identity and waved the doc-drop possibility around. Now she's back to defending a violent bully and harranguing a rape victim. InZvanity: Queen of Hypocrisy.

[Gumby]

I'm not sure of your age, Geoff, but knowing you're a fellow Canadian and RHPS fan makes me wonder if we didn't maybe go to some of the same RHPS showings (at the Roxy in Toronto) in 1977 or 1978. It was showing Sat & Sun, 2 shows a night IIRC. I went once or twice a week for maybe a year, I think.

Ahh, those were the days. I probably went to 50 midnight showings of Rocky Horror, which of course means I'm a total n00b by hardcore RHPS-attendee standards. I had a blast.

I'd be up for a Toronto meetup of slimepitters. I know there is another slimepitter here from Ottawa or close enough. As I said before, I'm really only semi anonymous because I know how crazy these fftb arses are. We could all go see a midnight showing of RHPS and yell at the kids "get off our lawn!" or something.

I'm game, given adequate notice. I live in the States, but it's not a massively long drive from where I'm at. I think I need a passport these days though. Last time I was in Toronto (my favorite city ever!) was 1982 and no passport was required at that time. Easily done.

[Munkhaus]

http://i.imgur.com/2yUd8.png

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Applause at Shut the fuck up Donny!

[Darren]

JREF now has a thread regarding A+. The posters there seem to be somewhat skeptical...

[Tigzy]

http://i.imgur.com/2yUd8.png

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Applause at Shut the fuck up Donny!

Pity he's not likely to get to see it. Ah well...fuck it dude, let's go bowling.

[Darren]

From that JREF thread:

I've swung back and forth on whether @Atheism+ is parody or not. At least 90% seems pretty dead pan then they say something that seems so full of crazy you realise they can't be serious. But then you realise that the crazy thing didn't originate from @Atheism+ but was a retweet from Jen McCreight herself.

[Tigzy]

And now the snivelling little shit himself pipes up: http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamo ... ent-111296

Greg Laden says:
August 22, 2012 at 4:34 pm

As a rule, when people ask me to unpost something or edit out a comment I comply even if I don’t agree. That is my policy. It is also my policy to respond to legal threats by sending a form email to the person making the threat then to mostly ignore them (thus, I don’t take down a lot of posts people ask me to take down because they come with such threats) and I don’t compromise on the science (thus I don’t take down or change the Global Warming posts even though I am constantly being asked to). But for irrelevant chatty or newsy stuff, or highly charged political stuff, I’ll alter/remove as per suggestions. I’m a nice guy that way, for those who ask without first sending the “I’ll sue your ass” salvo over the fence.

Of course, there is no way to win with complainers, whingers, and haters, who are usually too narrow minded and blindered that the larger issues are not available for their own consideration. This is the case with Maria and many of the slimepitters. I’m sure we actually agree on many important issues of politics and feminism, but because I happen to think Rebecca Watson’s dating advice to guys was both apropos and funny, I am a bad person. Go figure.

Removing a post on request, however, would not have applied to the post that specifically made good on my agreement with Maria, which she broke. Indeed, the two blog posts referred to earlier are sitting there in the “unposted” category of The X Blog and can be turned back on at any moment, as per that agreement. I’m not doing it, though because, again, I’m such a fucking nice guy. Meanwhile, Maria needs to learn when to shut up (but see below) Having said that, my policy of removing on request certainly would have applied to a comment with her address on it. But I don’t recall any such comment. I’m not saying it never happened. It was probably just not important.

Regarding the situation with the linked in post and Ed… first, I note that Maria has changed her story in the above thread and the post-making-it-all-up version is as I remember it. However, Ed was wrong to ask me to take that post down. His reasoning was that he was getting endless whinging obnoxious emails from Maria, and he didn’t want that any more. My liberty as a blogger was less important to him than his inbox. He did not think that through, and I’m sure I could have gotten him to understand the error of his ways, but I decided to just take the linked in post down (he asked me to do so, and explicitly said he was not requiring me to do so) because it was the easiest thing to do, and to give Maria a break. Again, I’m too nice sometimes.

I agree with Giliell, not to be confused with The Borg. This raises an interesting set of questions, though. When someone acts very badly and keeps coming back again and again, it gets annoying, it is potentially harassment, etc. etc. But if that person is doing this because of some sort of mental disability, then it is not malicious, right? Is it OK that they are doing it? Is it bad to complain or try to make them stop? The problem with this is that whether we are justifiably mad at someone vs. not is a matter of whether or not we have decided that they are just a pain in the ass (or some kind of “bad person”) or if they happen to be mentally ill. As far as I can tell, there are no clear guidelines or accepted conventions in this regard, wether it has to do with crappy internet behavior, or legal issues. Having said all that, there are strong signs that Maria is in need of some sort of help. I first became aware of her when she posted several comments, and sent me several emails via facebook using “maria” that were very sympathetic to my positions on various issues, but at the same time posted under “bluharmony” on Abbie Smith’s slimepit threads the opposite sentiment. (Or do I have the use of names reversed … no matter). At first I thought she was joking. She was almost playing out a parody of a TV comedic Schizophrenic. But she was serious, and she was annoying. Over time I also noted the episodic nature of her forays. I take that as a possible indicator (though a very iffy one, there are a lot of reasons for this) of a personality disorder or episodic depression or someting. Giliell, I, everyone else here is not able to diagnose Maria via the internet. The fact that she is very annoying and that we can’t diagnose her fairly could mean that it is fair to treat her as a nuisance and nothing else. But the truth is, she really may be mentally ill and in need of help. So, at the risk of being an asshole by diagnosing someone over the intertubes, I may well just decide that she is mentally ill.

But that still does not give her a pass to do what she often does. Does it?

Zvan, why did he write those posts in the first place and make my full name the searchable tag and headline?

I did that because I wanted you to stop doing what you were doing. You know this because it is what I told you then. Interesting that you now claim that you only started harassing me after I “tried to get Abbie fired.” Your memory is way, way off on the timing. Also, I was not trying to get Abbie fired. I simply arranged for some people who had some stake in her career (as a scientist and as a blogger, at her U and SB respectively) to speak to her and ensure that she did the right thing, which she did in fact do, more or less. Good on me for that, right?

Seriously, he's just taking the piss now.

[cunt]

Greta Christina - How I can use A+ as a tool to bully smaller atheist clubs.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/2012/ ... nizations/

What I think it would mean, at a minimum, is that atheist organizations would keep their own houses clean. At a minimum, it means they would pay attention to social justice issues with their own internal matters: hiring, event organization, community structure, etc. They would pay conscious attention to questions like:

How is the diversity among our own staff?
How is the diversity among the speakers at our events?
Do our events appeal to a diverse range of people?
Are our events affordable? Do we make scholarships available if they’re not?
Do we have child care available at our events?
Are our events accessible by public transportation?
...
(lots more)

Of course, they'll need to put the A+ logo on their websites. Maybe make the image link back to Greta's blog for helping them out?

[The Pelagic Argosy]

legit.jpg

Pedantic point, but that should be "whoever". Nominative case.

Thank you. I'll be here all week.

[Scented Nectar]

I'm not sure of your age, Geoff, but knowing you're a fellow Canadian and RHPS fan makes me wonder if we didn't maybe go to some of the same RHPS showings (at the Roxy in Toronto) in 1977 or 1978. It was showing Sat & Sun, 2 shows a night IIRC. I went once or twice a week for maybe a year, I think.

Ahh, those were the days. I probably went to 50 midnight showings of Rocky Horror, which of course means I'm a total n00b by hardcore RHPS-attendee standards. I had a blast.

No, 50's enough. You're hardcore. Toronto at the Roxy?

[The Pelagic Argosy]

legit.jpg

Pedantic point, but that should be "whoever". Nominative case.

Thank you. I'll be here all week.

Arse. That was a correction of Theebodybooby's "Whomever's running the @atheismplus twitter account".

[Gumby]

Greta Christina - How I can use A+ as a tool to bully smaller atheist clubs.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/2012/ ... nizations/

What I think it would mean, at a minimum, is that atheist organizations would keep their own houses clean. At a minimum, it means they would pay attention to social justice issues with their own internal matters: hiring, event organization, community structure, etc. They would pay conscious attention to questions like:

How is the diversity among our own staff?
How is the diversity among the speakers at our events?
Do our events appeal to a diverse range of people?
Are our events affordable? Do we make scholarships available if they’re not?
Do we have child care available at our events?
Are our events accessible by public transportation?
...
(lots more)

Of course, they'll need to put the A+ logo on their websites. Maybe make the image link back to Greta's blog for helping them out?

Greta is indirectly (and purposely) dancing around the central goal of Atheism+, a goal that Richard Carrier is at least speaking about directly. Atheism+ is about putting more atheists, and atheist organizations, under one umbrella (the Atheism+ umbrella, of course). Doing this allows them to accomplish their main goal - the Great Purge of atheism. McCreight et. al. are hoping that Atheism+ accomplishes what over a year of artificially manufactured controversy hasn't accomplished for them - the reshaping and purging of the atheist movement to their own liking by raising the specter of supposed massive misogyny running rampant throughout the movement. Atheism+ is just attempt #2 for them. This is not about social justice, it's about a few of the usual suspects trying again to put their control-freak tentacles everywhere. It's Elevatorgate with a new Social Justice mask on it.

[Gumby]

I'm not sure of your age, Geoff, but knowing you're a fellow Canadian and RHPS fan makes me wonder if we didn't maybe go to some of the same RHPS showings (at the Roxy in Toronto) in 1977 or 1978. It was showing Sat & Sun, 2 shows a night IIRC. I went once or twice a week for maybe a year, I think.

Ahh, those were the days. I probably went to 50 midnight showings of Rocky Horror, which of course means I'm a total n00b by hardcore RHPS-attendee standards. I had a blast.

No, 50's enough. You're hardcore. Toronto at the Roxy?

No, in the States. It would have been fun in Toronto, in the Queen/Yonge street area. I had a blast there last time I visited.

[Scented Nectar]

Ever do any COBOL programming?

After that long ago fortran course, I was not around computers again until I bought my first 286 in 1990, running DOS, and later, running early versions of Windows on that DOS.

[sacha]

oh you cunt!

Ok, just keep those feet a bit farther back, thanks. But yeah, I am a cunt. Cun't help it really. :)

I'm getting the impression that this Gromet character isn't your average kid's toy animal/cartoon. And that I better not criticise it if I know what's good for me.

rice! Everyone brought rice to throw during the wedding

Oh yeah! That stuff got everywhere, like even into my panties. Going to Rocky Horror while female came with perks back then. Guys were always willing to pass their joints to any nearby women, so free tokes during the show, and of course, me and my best friend back then who used to go there with me, would sometimes have a nice selection of guys who were ready, willing and able to choose from for sex. Anyone who says it's not a huge, huge, amount easier for straight women to find sex than for straight men to find sex, is kidding themselves.

I have no idea why, but the thought of uncooked rice getting into your panties, just turned me on.

[JAB]

I'm not sure of your age, Geoff, but knowing you're a fellow Canadian and RHPS fan makes me wonder if we didn't maybe go to some of the same RHPS showings (at the Roxy in Toronto) in 1977 or 1978. It was showing Sat & Sun, 2 shows a night IIRC. I went once or twice a week for maybe a year, I think.

Ahh, those were the days. I probably went to 50 midnight showings of Rocky Horror, which of course means I'm a total n00b by hardcore RHPS-attendee standards. I had a blast.

I'd be up for a Toronto meetup of slimepitters. I know there is another slimepitter here from Ottawa or close enough. As I said before, I'm really only semi anonymous because I know how crazy these fftb arses are. We could all go see a midnight showing of RHPS and yell at the kids "get off our lawn!" or something.

I'm game, given adequate notice. I live in the States, but it's not a massively long drive from where I'm at. I think I need a passport these days though. Last time I was in Toronto (my favorite city ever!) was 1982 and no passport was required at that time. Easily done.

I'm up for it... I'm only 3hrs away, and could carpool with the Ottawa contingent if necessary.

[ERV]

Greta Christina - How I can use A+ as a tool to bully smaller atheist clubs.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/2012/ ... nizations/

What I think it would mean, at a minimum, is that atheist organizations would keep their own houses clean. At a minimum, it means they would pay attention to social justice issues with their own internal matters: hiring, event organization, community structure, etc. They would pay conscious attention to questions like:

How is the diversity among our own staff?
How is the diversity among the speakers at our events?
Do our events appeal to a diverse range of people?
Are our events affordable? Do we make scholarships available if they’re not?
Do we have child care available at our events?
Are our events accessible by public transportation?
...
(lots more)

Of course, they'll need to put the A+ logo on their websites. Maybe make the image link back to Greta's blog for helping them out?

Says the lazy she-slug who has never organized an atheist conference of any kind. Does she know how much insurance for childcare costs? How does she expect those insurance $$$ to get paid if they dont charge for conferences (affordable)? Where are these scholarships supposed to come from? What the FUCK are atheist groups supposed to do about PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION (non-existent in this part of the US)?

Idiot.

[JAB]

Greta Christina - How I can use A+ as a tool to bully smaller atheist clubs.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/greta/2012/ ... nizations/

What I think it would mean, at a minimum, is that atheist organizations would keep their own houses clean. At a minimum, it means they would pay attention to social justice issues with their own internal matters: hiring, event organization, community structure, etc. They would pay conscious attention to questions like:

How is the diversity among our own staff?
How is the diversity among the speakers at our events?
Do our events appeal to a diverse range of people?
Are our events affordable? Do we make scholarships available if they’re not?
Do we have child care available at our events?
Are our events accessible by public transportation?
...
(lots more)

Of course, they'll need to put the A+ logo on their websites. Maybe make the image link back to Greta's blog for helping them out?

Says the lazy she-slug who has never organized an atheist conference of any kind. Does she know how much insurance for childcare costs? How does she expect those insurance $$$ to get paid if they dont charge for conferences (affordable)? Where are these scholarships supposed to come from? What the FUCK are atheist groups supposed to do about PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION (non-existent in this part of the US)?

Idiot.

And... do small atheist clubs in the US have any staff?...I doubt it, why would they. She really is clueless.

[SteveW68]

Courtesy of @petehague:

https://t.co/ib5OTLa6

[cunt]

Says the lazy she-slug who has never organized an atheist conference of any kind. Does she know how much insurance for childcare costs? How does she expect those insurance $$$ to get paid if they dont charge for conferences (affordable)? Where are these scholarships supposed to come from? What the FUCK are atheist groups supposed to do about PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION (non-existent in this part of the US)?

Idiot.

And... do small atheist clubs in the US have any staff?...I doubt it, why would they. She really is clueless.

Maybe a club leader and a treasurer? If both are old white guys, they'll flip a coin on who has to step down/black up.

[sacha]

The newspaper was for the scene with the pouring rain. Movie goers here would bring water pistols into the theatre to simulate the rain during the scene you then had to have a newspaper to copy the movie scene of Brad and Janet running through the rain with a newspaper on their heads. Good times. You do remember the lighters bit right? "Theres a a light.... over at the Frankenstein place"

The lighters ring a bell. And the waterguns. Mostly I'd get covered with glitter and confetti though. I always seemed to sit near people with bags of those! :)

The Toronto crowd at the movie changed after a while. They were using Brad and Janet as their 2 minute (or movie-length) hate or something. They started shouting the "Brad asshole Janet slut" thing too often (like every single fucking appearance of B or J) and too angrily. The fun crowd antics changed, mostly turned to an angry steam-letting crowd who were there for some sort of real hatred of Brad and Janet, so I stopped going.

Don't forget the yells of "Where's your neck?" when the narrator was on. The floor show was always fun too. People would dress up in costumes and accompany the movie.

I went as "Magenta" a few times:

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[sacha]

I dressed as Magenta a few times

haha! cunts united

[Azathoth]

Interesting tweet from the prune

Ophelia Benson ‏@OpheliaBenson
On the bus home I sat behind a man who hadn't had a shower or changed clothes in a long time. I still can't get the smell out of my nose.

I wonder if she would be tweeting her disgust if it had been a foul smelling woman or if it would turn into an essay on female homelessness and mental illness.

[ERV]

Interesting tweet from the prune

Ophelia Benson ‏@OpheliaBenson
On the bus home I sat behind a man who hadn't had a shower or changed clothes in a long time. I still can't get the smell out of my nose.

I wonder if she would be tweeting her disgust if it had been a foul smelling woman or if it would turn into an essay on female homelessness and mental illness.

AGAIN with these people not being able to handle normal, human experiences.


Back to ReGreta-- Its all about what OTHER people are supposed to do. How about YOU do something, slug? YOU pay for childcare insurance. Dont get your readers to pay for it-- YOU do it. Since its so important to YOU. YOU pay for other people to attend conferences youre speaking at. DO IT. You know what *I* tell conference organizers, ReGreta? That if ANYONE tells them they cannot attend because they cant afford the conference, to take it out of whatever they were going to pay me. And then when they try to pay me, I make sure that everyones out-of-pocket expenses are covered too (if someone ran to buy a cable or something).

EVERYONE ELSE has to do things for ol lazy slug ReGreta. She cant be bothered to do a GODDAMN thing her own damn self.

[The Pelagic Argosy]

Says the lazy she-slug who has never organized an atheist conference of any kind. Does she know how much insurance for childcare costs? How does she expect those insurance $$$ to get paid if they dont charge for conferences (affordable)? Where are these scholarships supposed to come from? What the FUCK are atheist groups supposed to do about PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION (non-existent in this part of the US)?

Idiot.

Jesus fucking macarena, these people are nuts. They seem to think they have the resources of a socialist state at their disposal. Where do they think they are, Sweden? Also this talk of keeping houses "clean" and suchlike gives me the chills.

On another note, the idea of having local meetups is great. I'm not in north America, but my best wishes to you on organizing a meet in Canada. I'm in the UK (London to be precise) and I've been on modest atheist board meets here and they were fab. If there is sufficient will and numbers in the UK I would certainly be up for it.

[Dilurk]

Greta is indirectly (and purposely) dancing around the central goal of Atheism+, a goal that Richard Carrier is at least speaking about directly. Atheism+ is about putting more atheists, and atheist organizations, under one umbrella (the Atheism+ umbrella, of course). Doing this allows them to accomplish their main goal - the Great Purge of atheism. McCreight et. al. are hoping that Atheism+ accomplishes what over a year of artificially manufactured controversy hasn't accomplished for them - the reshaping and purging of the atheist movement to their own liking by raising the specter of supposed massive misogyny running rampant throughout the movement. Atheism+ is just attempt #2 for them. This is not about social justice, it's about a few of the usual suspects trying again to put their control-freak tentacles everywhere. It's Elevatorgate with a new Social Justice mask on it.

These people are not atheists working for any movement, they are entertainers. They aren't interested in teaching anyone facts (Galileo was killed by the church you know) they care about their income and prestige not education. I used to read PZ because I could learn something from his Sciblogs. What has he been teaching lately? They want the paid plane tickets to jet set all over the world to conferences to get drunk and abuse their handlers. Follow the money folks. They can keep their conferences as I personally don't care. What we don't need is their nutcase followers stalking the people that really do the work and impeding it. The false DMCAs filed against people they want to discredit, the phone calls and emails to bosses and the posting of private names/addresses (doxing). Apart from that folks, I am here for the lulz.

[cunt]

Interesting tweet from the prune

Ophelia Benson ‏@OpheliaBenson
On the bus home I sat behind a man who hadn't had a shower or changed clothes in a long time. I still can't get the smell out of my nose.

I wonder if she would be tweeting her disgust if it had been a foul smelling woman or if it would turn into an essay on female homelessness and mental illness.

AGAIN with these people not being able to handle normal, human experiences.


Back to ReGreta-- Its all about what OTHER people are supposed to do. How about YOU do something, slug? YOU pay for childcare insurance. Dont get your readers to pay for it-- YOU do it. Since its so important to YOU. YOU pay for other people to attend conferences youre speaking at. DO IT. You know what *I* tell conference organizers, ReGreta? That if ANYONE tells them they cannot attend because they cant afford the conference, to take it out of whatever they were going to pay me. And then when they try to pay me, I make sure that everyones out-of-pocket expenses are covered too (if someone ran to buy a cable or something).

EVERYONE ELSE has to do things for ol lazy slug ReGreta. She cant be bothered to do a GODDAMN thing her own damn self.

Haha, she also wants people to do her thinking for her. Her writing for her. From her set of pre-approved topics. I've gone through 4 pages of her blogs "older-entries" now and not once has she blogged about those topics or said anything about them since at least June.

Now, that’s just the minimum. It could certainly mean more than that — without getting into mission drift. It could mean, when deciding which issues to focus on, making a conscious effort to focus attention on atheist/ religious issues that are of particular concern to marginalized people. Such as:

-list of topics you should talk about-

[sacha]

Courtesy of @petehague:

https://t.co/ib5OTLa6

@petehague is great. I've been following him

[The Pelagic Argosy]

Interesting tweet from the prune

Ophelia Benson ‏@OpheliaBenson
On the bus home I sat behind a man who hadn't had a shower or changed clothes in a long time. I still can't get the smell out of my nose.

I wonder if she would be tweeting her disgust if it had been a foul smelling woman or if it would turn into an essay on female homelessness and mental illness.

This is fucking disgusting (although I don't particularly think this has anything to do with him being a man—I might be wrong). But how in the world does this sort of comment square with her aims for "social justice"? I don't ask that we "privileged" types enjoy the smell of homeless people and the like, but tweeting about it? What the fuck? What the fucking fuck. She can't even keep her story straight.

[JAB]

Says the lazy she-slug who has never organized an atheist conference of any kind. Does she know how much insurance for childcare costs? How does she expect those insurance $$$ to get paid if they dont charge for conferences (affordable)? Where are these scholarships supposed to come from? What the FUCK are atheist groups supposed to do about PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION (non-existent in this part of the US)?

Idiot.

And... do small atheist clubs in the US have any staff?...I doubt it, why would they. She really is clueless.

Maybe a club leader and a treasurer? If both are old white guys, they'll flip a coin on who has to step down/black up.

Really? Club leader is a job people can get? I was on the executive for a telephone distress centre for years ... we ran the service every night of the year, and we had no paid staff at all. Some others had one office staff person, but it always seemed like a small org like that with one employee: the main job for that one employee was fundraising so that they could afford to pay that one employee. With the additional headache that goes with being an employer it didn't look worth it.

[Steersman]

Wed Aug 22, 2012 4:46 am

PZ has posted a video from the makers of Mr Deity that tries to make a humorous point involving the subject of rape.

Yes, it's a rape joke. So you can make rape jokes, after all, so long as they target Republicans.

According to PZ ....

Not OK. Not at all, yet none of his sycophants have taken him to task over it. Feckless hypocrites.

For any of us female Merkins, this Akin shit is not the least bit funny -rather, it's terrifying. In fact it's terrifying for all rational, progressive Merkins ....

Rape itself is not at all funny of course, but then again I really don’t think PZ is calling it a joke – just that the video conveys and entails some serious mocking, some serious sarcasm, i.e., “mocking, contemptuous, or ironic language intended to convey scorn or insult”.

The laughter I expect very much comes from how effective the video is in skewering the Republicans – for instance, I don’t know if you noticed it or not but the “Mourning After Pill” is from that entirely ethical pharmaceutical “giant” RNC [Republican National Committee, I expect]. The laughter is probably the same as that which accompanied Jonathan Swift’s Modest Proposal – savage and bitter but drawing some rather uncomfortable and damning analogies and implications.

You might be interested in this post by R. Joseph Hoffmann on The Voodoo Gynecology of the Jesus Perverters, the conclusion of which is this:

I do know that what the evangelical, the Catholic, and the Mormon have in common is not just a contempt for women, not just a disdain for the Constitution–which they constantly want amended–but for the Christian religion they claim to represent.

The sickening hypocrisy of this group may be the foulest perversion of Christianity since Nazism or the Inquisition: by any other name, it is unrecognizable as Christianity, and what they preach is unrecognizable as the gospel of Jesus Christ.

They have forfeited the right ever to speak about the evils inherent in this society or the deficiencies of other faiths–for example, the degradation of women in Islam–when they advocate the degradation of women in America and are willing to enact legislation that will canonize violence against women and disallow remedies for that violence as being in step with the gospel.

There is no other way to put this: these are dangerous, deluded, and (to use a word I use sparingly) metaphysically evil men. They will make America not just far worse in the eyes of the world, but essentially sicker in its soul.

[AndrewV69]

Ever do any COBOL programming? It is such a verbose and pedantic language it should have been called MKG :eusa-whistle: Anyway, people who had to keypunch programs in COBOL ended up with huge stacks of cards. I'll never forget the poor woman who was rushing to the card reader for one last program run before her class in ten minutes. In her haste, she tripped over her own two feet and the large cardboard box containing about 3,000 cards went flying. Of course, cards went everywhere - cards she had NOT numbered in the area reserved for card numbering. She was sobbing. I felt horrible for her, but her tragedy was a lesson for everyone in the computer center - number your cards!!!

Ow! Orrible story, seen the like myself.

I actually taught myself COBOL using nothing more than an old reference manual someone had discarded. It was so old there was no mention of a Level 77 in it. Not only that, I did it without seeing any examples of code. I had to figure out how and where to put the whole thing together. After that I taught myself PLAN for an ICL 1902A and it just snowballed from there. I think the only language I have not had at least a nodding acquaintance with are some of the newer ones like Visual C++. Once I retired all of that came to a screeching halt. Z/OS 1.2, and Solaris 8 were the last OS I installed.

See here for what my very first computer room looked like: http://www.icl1900.co.uk/icl1900/index.html

The ironic thing about my "classical" education is that it actually equipped me with none of the tools suitable for life in the real world.

True story. My very first job which actually paid a salary was a management position, and the youngest person who reported to me was twice my age. If people think Dawkins is "privileged", one can only imagine the horror with which they would regard someone like myself (not that I am rich, far from it in fact).

[sacha]

I want this tee shirt:

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[Tigzy]

Says the lazy she-slug who has never organized an atheist conference of any kind. Does she know how much insurance for childcare costs? How does she expect those insurance $$$ to get paid if they dont charge for conferences (affordable)? Where are these scholarships supposed to come from? What the FUCK are atheist groups supposed to do about PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION (non-existent in this part of the US)?

Idiot.

Jesus fucking macarena, these people are nuts. They seem to think they have the resources of a socialist state at their disposal. Where do they think they are, Sweden? Also this talk of keeping houses "clean" and suchlike gives me the chills.

Greta's a typical Ivory-tower intellectual who's privilige is showing: it might be feasable enough to her to organise all that shit when you can just blog and occasionally talk at conferences for a living. Most people have to slog away at jobs for most of the week, with no more time or inclination to make more out of your local group - be it an atheist group, a cross-stitch group, an airfix-modellers' group - than perhaps a fortnightly meet-up in the bar of a local community centre.

[JAB]

Interesting tweet from the prune

Ophelia Benson ‏@OpheliaBenson
On the bus home I sat behind a man who hadn't had a shower or changed clothes in a long time. I still can't get the smell out of my nose.

I wonder if she would be tweeting her disgust if it had been a foul smelling woman or if it would turn into an essay on female homelessness and mental illness.

This is fucking disgusting (although I don't particularly think this has anything to do with him being a man—I might be wrong). But how in the world does this sort of comment square with her aims for "social justice"? I don't ask that we "privileged" types enjoy the smell of homeless people and the like, but tweeting about it? What the fuck? What the fucking fuck. She can't even keep her story straight.

Maybe he showers every day. Maybe he's one of those people who have to do work like collecting the garbage from in front of her house and is embarassed about stinking on public transit but is 4 more paycleques from being able to afford to get his shitbox of a car repaired.

[CommanderTuvok]

Obviously poor, smelly, men are not welcome in the new Atheism+ movement.

The whiff of snobbery.

[Tigzy]

Interesting tweet from the prune

Ophelia Benson ‏@OpheliaBenson
On the bus home I sat behind a man who hadn't had a shower or changed clothes in a long time. I still can't get the smell out of my nose.

I wonder if she would be tweeting her disgust if it had been a foul smelling woman or if it would turn into an essay on female homelessness and mental illness.

This is fucking disgusting (although I don't particularly think this has anything to do with him being a man—I might be wrong). But how in the world does this sort of comment square with her aims for "social justice"? I don't ask that we "privileged" types enjoy the smell of homeless people and the like, but tweeting about it? What the fuck? What the fucking fuck. She can't even keep her story straight.

Like a lot of middle-and-upper class social justice warriors, Ophelia and her ilk have a tendency to romanticise the proletariat they claim to champion, and generally react with shock and bemusment when they discover - gosh darn! - that the ways of the ordinary, 'oppressed' masses are somewhat more earthy than they imagined. I vaguely remember Ken Loach - a perfect example of the prissy left if there ever was one - being quite bemused that the former miners he was interviewing (who had been amongst the strikers during the 1980s) had little knowledge or interest in the plight of Venezuelan dissidents, or some such thing. Middle-class championing of the working classes is not quite the same thing as working-class championing of the working classes, it seems.

As such, the Prune doth not mix well with the proles.

[astrokid.nj]

Over at Kazez's blog, some s are talking about how they are the good people. Man do I love this stuff. Where would I be if Ardent Skeptic hadnt "gotten the folks at ERV to acknowledge stuff".

Ardent Skeptic said...
IMO, the designation of groups is a large part of the problem. Every issue should be evaluated on it's own merits. Instead, we drew battle lines and decided that you either completely agree with everything being said by everyone on a perceived "side" or completely disagree with everything being said by a perceived "side".
This has been proven untrue, yet we persist in this misrepresentation of the issue. Jean is a prime example of someone who has taken issue with what she has seen from both "sides" of this war. So am I, but because I involved myself in this debate as opposed to Rebecca's treatment of Stef McGraw and Rose St. Clair at the CFI Student Leadership conference and did so in moderate tones, I was on a "side". I spoke up about the power of words at ERV and, at least, got the folks at ERV to acknowledge that each of us and, each of us alone, holds personal responsibility for what we say. I also disagreed with and went after Franc Hoggle at ERV. So, to state that there are these battle lines is completely lacking in nuanced thinking.

PS: Scented, I will be much obliged if you can resurrect the old ERV threads. OR if Lsuoma can perform some magic and get it on this forum, I will be much obliged.

[Michael K Gray]

From here:

...Docile creatures in the middle surrounded on all sides by wolves, our own wolves, with a few of the docile who've decided to challenge the wolves. The wolves have bared their teeth and now, instead of facing outwards to our foes, they've turned inwards to quell the dociles who spoke up....

This is merely a repetition of the atheists-as-a-noble-snarling-wolf-pack meme that PZ included in his strange address to ze rally at GAC2012 in Melbourne, Australia.
The one where he could well have been arrested for fomenting a riot against the peaceful Islamic protesters there.
The tail end of his rant was comparable to those of Hitler, and that is NOT a Godwin, but reality.

[Azathoth]

From here:

...Docile creatures in the middle surrounded on all sides by wolves, our own wolves, with a few of the docile who've decided to challenge the wolves. The wolves have bared their teeth and now, instead of facing outwards to our foes, they've turned inwards to quell the dociles who spoke up....

This is merely a repetition of the atheists-as-a-noble-snarling-wolf-pack meme that PZ included in his strange address to ze rally at GAC2012 in Melbourne, Australia.
The one where he could well have been arrested for fomenting a riot against the peaceful Islamic protesters there.
The tail end of his rant was comparable to those of Hitler, and that is NOT a Godwin, but reality.

got youtube of that?

[CommanderTuvok]

From here:

...Docile creatures in the middle surrounded on all sides by wolves, our own wolves, with a few of the docile who've decided to challenge the wolves. The wolves have bared their teeth and now, instead of facing outwards to our foes, they've turned inwards to quell the dociles who spoke up....

This is merely a repetition of the atheists-as-a-noble-snarling-wolf-pack meme that PZ included in his strange address to ze rally at GAC2012 in Melbourne, Australia.
The one where he could well have been arrested for fomenting a riot against the peaceful Islamic protesters there.
The tail end of his rant was comparable to those of Hitler, and that is NOT a Godwin, but reality.

Formenting a riot against peaceful Muslims?

Zoincks! Is this the same person who railled against Sam Harris' "islamophobia" in the last couple of months?

[justinvacula]

http://i.imgur.com/y4lRj.jpg

Blackford on way to Witch of the Week status again...

[Michael K Gray]

No shock here:
http://i.imgur.com/2ebAk.png

sigh...
I keep hoping he's gonna turn around and say "gotcha!".

No, but he is proposing to extend the vertical bit of the blue cross on the A+ symbol downward a bit to more accurately represent what it stands for.

[Tigzy]

I'm gonna start referring to Matt Dillahunty as Dolly, like that cloned sheep.

"Baa! Baa! I support Atheism plus! Baa! Baa! You're wrong if you ask Rebeccaa Watson for evidence! Baa! Baa!"

Dolly Dillahunty - fits like a nice warm fleece.

[Dilurk]

Over at Kazez's blog, some s are talking about how they are the good people. Man do I love this stuff. Where would I be if Ardent Skeptic hadnt "gotten the folks at ERV to acknowledge stuff".

Ardent Skeptic said...
IMO, the designation of groups is a large part of the problem. Every issue should be evaluated on it's own merits. Instead, we drew battle lines and decided that you either completely agree with everything being said by everyone on a perceived "side" or completely disagree with everything being said by a perceived "side".
This has been proven untrue, yet we persist in this misrepresentation of the issue. Jean is a prime example of someone who has taken issue with what she has seen from both "sides" of this war. So am I, but because I involved myself in this debate as opposed to Rebecca's treatment of Stef McGraw and Rose St. Clair at the CFI Student Leadership conference and did so in moderate tones, I was on a "side". I spoke up about the power of words at ERV and, at least, got the folks at ERV to acknowledge that each of us and, each of us alone, holds personal responsibility for what we say. I also disagreed with and went after Franc Hoggle at ERV. So, to state that there are these battle lines is completely lacking in nuanced thinking.

PS: Scented, I will be much obliged if you can resurrect the old ERV threads. OR if Lsuoma can perform some magic and get it on this forum, I will be much obliged.

76. An Ardent Skeptic
July 24, 2011, 7:08 pm
Rebecca's formal degrees don't matter unless she is misrepresenting
what they are as that would indicate a lack of ethics.
But the question is, has she acquired any wisdom through formal
education or life experience?
She certainly has acquired media savvy and some knowledge of how to
manipulate people's emotional responses. But wisdom, in the sense
of having perspective of how her personal needs, wants, and desires
aren't representative of all women's, or the world's problems
generally? I don't think so.
The rampant demonstrations, by RW and her supporters, of
unwillingness to see another's point of view, and the demonization
of anyone who disagrees with them, indicates a lack of
introspection and empathy, and therefore, wisdom. Instead of
actually engaging with the arguments and issues presented, they
merely divert attention onto the language used ("Twatson," for
instance). But the medium is not the message. RW may understand
that, and use it to her advantage; the tone trolls obviously don't.
I'll take an argument of substance, embellished with profanity and
ridicule, over an "argument" in civil language which is no more
than character assassination, any day. And the charact assassination of Stef by RW and the others is what riled me. Have
any of you seen anything even remotely resembling a considered,
rational, evidence-based argument from the "other side" that
answered Stef's original question? I haven't seen one, and I damned
well want to. "Neener neener, you don't get it," besides being
dismissive and insulting (calling me a twat, but with polite
language), is pretty damned lame.

I have it all I think, I snarfed it down just before ERV had to shut it down. The problem is where to put it all.

[CommanderTuvok]

Dolly Dillahunty - fits like a nice warm fleece.

I agree, but I'm still fond of "Doormatt Dillahunty".

[DW Adams]

http://atheiststoday.com/images/dw_adams/YUNO.jpg

[justinvacula]

I posted Jen's post expressing that she feels unsafe in the atheist community and that this atheist community is less safe than walking down a sidewalk. This is the thread ( from my public Facebook page. Feel free to weigh in. Here's one response I received with the 'Listen to the women' gambit:

http://i.imgur.com/soZY6.jpg

My response:

Stephanie, it's not about a "right" to say something, but rather the case is whether the claim is reasonable or not. Is there evidence for the claim? Is there good reason to feel that walking down a sidewalk is dangerous? If walking down a sidewalk is not dangerous at all...and the atheism community is more dangerous than that, it's quite the ridiculous claim.

Your "right to feel" (whatever that means) is not up for debate, but rather the propositions as matters of fact are up for debate. No one is saying "You are not legally able to believe something," but rather I am the one -- along with others -- questioning those claims.

...and we're not talking about a Marlboro Man.

This sounds no better than a theist saying that their beliefs should not be challenged because they have the 'right to their own opinion' and because it's offensive. Step back from beliefs, separate ideas from persons, and critique ideas. Isn't that what skepticism is about?

[Darren]

EVERYONE ELSE has to do things for ol lazy slug ReGreta. She cant be bothered to do a GODDAMN thing her own damn self.

Go easy, now. Perhaps she had to go to the bank.

[sacha]

I'm gonna start referring to Matt Dillahunty as Dolly, like that cloned sheep.

"Baa! Baa! I support Atheism plus! Baa! Baa! You're wrong if you ask Rebeccaa Watson for evidence! Baa! Baa!"

Dolly Dillahunty - fits like a nice warm fleece.

Tigz,

Would you please link to the full-size INGSOC image again? I'd like to tweet it to numerous people.

[Darren]

Tigz,

Would you please link to the full-size INGSOC image again? I'd like to tweet it to numerous people.

It's in the pictures thread, here.

[Tigzy]

I'm gonna start referring to Matt Dillahunty as Dolly, like that cloned sheep.

"Baa! Baa! I support Atheism plus! Baa! Baa! You're wrong if you ask Rebeccaa Watson for evidence! Baa! Baa!"

Dolly Dillahunty - fits like a nice warm fleece.

Tigz,

Would you please link to the full-size INGSOC image again? I'd like to tweet it to numerous people.

No Probs.

http://i.imgur.com/uI1kV.jpg

If it can be associated with any text involving 'atheist', 'atheism' and 'plus', we might end up with a googlebomb on our hands. Never know!

[Guest]

Dolly Dillahunty - fits like a nice warm fleece.

I agree, but I'm still fond of "Doormatt Dillahunty".

Dillahunty is a huge (no pun intended) disappointment. Whatever happened to the Dillahunty who went after the whiney atheist who wanted to sue because of a bumper sticker that ridiculed atheists? Where is he when it comes to the whiney Scurvy Amy and her efforts to get anything that offends her delicate sensibilities banned at conferences? He's nothing but a hypocrite now. Utterly pathetic.

[Michael K Gray]

legit.jpg

Pedantic point, but that should be "whoever". Nominative case.
Thank you. I'll be here all week.

Hey! I am going to have to start a gnu grammar nazi movement if you muscle in on my territory!
Lemme see. I'll design the logo, and think about the substance at some later date.
http://www.michaelgray.com.au/Resources/GNuazi.png